I'm sure by now you're all tired of seeing my castles up here. Matter of fact, I'm getting rather tired of doing them (mostly because the render time is getting longer than I care for...) Therefore, here's my final for this one, unless someone has some really good ideas, in which case I'll maybe do one more remake. Comments, suggestions, criticism, insults, name calling, mud slinging, foul language, and anything else you feel like sending my way are more than welcome. =) Thanks fasttraxx and bonestructure for the tips on making tree shadows.. it's a pity i'd already added the trees by the time I'd read their posts. =) I guess I should also thank fasttraxx for all the textures of his that I used: grass, wall, mountain, and drawbridge textures were all his. Thanks everyone else for all the comments and suggestions so far. Rosh