A thousand excuse-me's for the off topic post. but... This month's issue of the British magazine "PCPlus" includes full versions of Poser 3 and Cinema 4D 5 SE along with several programs I've never heard of. PCPlus is available in the US at Barnes & Noble booksellers for $13.95. Shame on me. I should be forced to eat French delicacies for a week... Jim Z. a.k.a. Julian Boolean