i've just started playing around with bryce 5 and can't for the life of me find the menu bar ((ya know the one with File options and stuff)) i've checked my manuals and even the pictures printed in them don't show it. I've tried hitting various combinations of buttons to see if that accesses it ((and maybe hidden it in the process)) but no joy :( can anyone put me outta my misery thanks in advance Ever "maybe i'd see the forrest if these darn tree's weren't in the way" seer