Attached Link: http://eternal_salvation_02.tripod.com/Images/Dark_Raven_001

Okay I had my image taken down because it was not proper material, basicly it was an image of a female avenging an attack against a women i see nothing wrong. It was an image making a statement that we girls will fight back but no someone found it offences maybe becuase they fear that girl might do that to him next time he tries to force himself upon a girl anyways here is the link to see the image let me know if you think its to much, which i have seen worse on here. and if you feel renderosity is wrong in removing post here to put my picture back up** gives the finger to the person in charge of deciding which images stay and go as my last great act of defiance**

Attached Link: http://eternal_salvation_02.tripod.com/Images/Dark_Raven_001.jpg

Try this link sorry about the last one i was mad and typed to fast

The link won't work. It said the page or file isn't there. Maybe the link itself is wrong, or Tripod yanked it?!

no i just typed it in by hand if you have to highlight copy and past it and it will come up or maybe renderosity is trying to stop me from showing it anymore

Attached Link: http://eternal_salvation_02.tripod.com/Images/Dark_Raven_001.jpg

I just guessed that you had left out part of the filename or link. You had forgotten to include "jpg". Here is the proper link. I understand that you want to make a statement against violence to women. I hate violence. I hate men who abuse women to such extents. But I also abhor violence "in general." I had some difficulties with your image for that reason. Ron

Hmmm why is such a double standard you will all go out and watch movies, tv shows read stories about crimes against movies its all good but the minute us girls make a stand about it you want to shut us up Power to us women i say all women rise up in your beds tonight and cut your mans penis off

for the record i actually saw an image today of a man having sex with a girl in a chair but i guess that is okay to defile women that way as long as its against a women huh?

What is wrong with having sex in a chair? -WTB

Back in the Sixties and Seventies ... this sort of art was so tame, certainly not controversial. The Guardians of Correctness, both Left and Right ... have really ovedone it ... and to hear artists argueing in favor of repression and censorship is strange to my ears. And I didn't even like the hippies.

Gordon

Whats wrong with having sex in/on a chair. My wife and I do it all the time , and on a chair sometimes ;-)

there is nothing wrong with sex in a chair i enjoy it but but the fact is that there is nothing wrong with an image of a girl defending herself well excpet that the image god here dont like thats probably cause its the only way he can get some is to drug a girl and take advantage of her

oh and to you renderosity people you want to kick me off cause of freedom of speach go ahead that makes you communist too at that:-)

you might be able to take down my image but you will never take down my freedom of speach i am a proud american and dont piss me off i got steel toed boots and im not afraid to kick you in your nuts with them

Hey, I've seen some women and children who were sexually abused by their "loved ones." I've had enough anger against those abusers that I'd likely have tried to kill them myself if I had the chance. Part of me says "your punishment is not harsh enough." But a more civilized part of me says "I hate seeing depictions of violence. Let the courts deal with this sick pervert." I have to let the saner part of me prevail. And let me warn you of one thing: Never never threaten me. Ron

Dark Raven, At a guess your image was deleted because it clearly violates our TOS about depicting "rape or torture of any being living or dead". Please don't think that this place is entirely run by men - in fact I believe us chicks outnumber them at the moment. Most deletions are dicussed by the moderators, as all of us are artists as well, and we don't like censorship either so we do our best not to have to remove images. I appreciate your sentiment entirely - I live in New York City, not the safest place for a single woman. As for the sex-in-a-chair picture - it was deleted as soon as a moderator saw it, as it is also clearly against the TOS. If everyone wants to continue this topic, I suggest you move to the OT forum. Thanks for everyone's help! Lyrra

Oh Yeah, like I'm not gonna log in on this one.....I just had five of my images posted on other web sights dealing with erotic art, I do not include a link, I don't think they are appropriate here, just an opinion. There is an issue whenever we criticize anyone's fantasies, even ones we find revolting, they are, after all fantasies. Renderosity used to have a section for adult art but now we are told to go to "Renderotica" where I cannot get them to return my E-mail with my password, I have tried many times. Thralord has been a staple as well, he too does not return password information, I have tried numerous times. I am revolted as any decent human being is with crimes against anyone, I am amazed at the number of times prison rape is made a joke of, does anyone really think that it's funny? Not me. As for defending yourself, now the flame throwers can come out, you should, first and foremost protect your right to own and use a firearm in self defense, Yoko Ono and Nicole Simpson could have made good use of a very nice no hammer 357 magnum (chrome p lated, very pretty) with limited recoil, easy pulling trigger too. By the way I could not see the image, I have to see it now, now that I'm told not too. It would not surprise me to find renderosity blocking the link, they have, many times tipped over my trash can, I am told it was raccoons, but now I'm sure it's Renderosity. We must have a place where fantasy, erotic art can be displayed without judgment, Renderotica and Thralord seem to be off the table, any suggestions, oh and check out sisters for the 2nd amendment, now lets get those anti gun flame throwers going shall we?

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OK, let's get one thing straight. Dark Raven posted an incomplete link. I posted the correct link. You can see the picture if you use the link I provided. There is something very wrong when someone accuses those she/he doesn't know of anything. I am very much against violence, by anyone to anyone. I've held a beautiful woman and her children in my arms as they battled against the demons of their past, and did their best to realize it was me, and not their past tormentors with them at the time. I will not allow anyone to accuse me of supporting violence against women. I will accept no threats either. I suggest Dark Raven that you take a better look at the world, and realizes that not all men are your enemies. Your life can only be so much richer and more peaceful. That's my last word on this subject. Ron

No one is blocking the link. Tripod is a lousy host. You can't click a link that is linked to an image. You have to copy/paste the url into your address bar and you'll be able to see it.
So put away your cloak and daggers on that line of thought.

As for art and images being used to convey emotion, its perfectly understandable. I think the problem with this particular image is it doesn't convey enough. All I see is a violent image. I don't see what brought your characters to this scene. I understand it being pulled.

Turn it around and imagine a scene where a man who's been jailed on a false accusation takes his revenge. It's a vicious cycle no matter which direction you look. There are men who have a right to this feeling as well. To accuse Renderosity of supporting crimes against women is unfair.

And before anyone jumps at me, I've rendered images that convey my emotions of abuse I've had to deal with. Maybe I'll post them one day, but right now, I just go as far as rendering them. And if they're determined to be unfitting I'd certainly understand.

"Hmmm why is such a double standard you will all go out and watch movies, tv shows read stories about crimes against movies its all good but the minute us girls make a stand about it you want to shut us up Power to us women i say all women rise up in your beds tonight and cut your mans penis off"

There are no men here trying to shut anyone up. Do you honestly see this attitude as helping women? Got news for you, this type of attitude makes things worse.

...... Kendra

ok I looked at the picture, I couldn't before (thanks Kendra for pointing out the cut copy pasty about tripod links.) That is definately not renderosity material and deleted with due cause. I still stand by my blah blah blah Though, I have said it before and the way things are going I will be saying it every day the way things are going... You don't like the way renderosity is run LEAVE!!!!

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OK, I saw it too, learned something new, cut and past, I understand the chopped weenier, but why is the blond in the thong standing facing the wall? Was she the one assaulted? The girl with the knife seems to be unrelated to the blond, also the guy's expression was a little bland, perhaps a loss of blood, although there really should have been more blood, a nasty place to get cut, lots of blood. I am forced to disagree with taking anyone's picture down, even if it violates our sensibilities, we can survive Dark Raven, we cannot survive censorship, I liked the shadows and textures, what did you render in? if it was Bryce it looks good, I use Cinema 4D.

It sounds to me like maybe someone has a lot of anger and persecution issues to work out. An image of a man being mutilated is not a positive feminist image supporting womens rights - it is an image that is in direct violation of the TOS. I fail to see how this TOS is somehow selctively applied to protect men on this site.

Lately, there have been several questionable postings to the Poser gallery. And although it has very good posing and light work it is very much against the original and the updated TOS of Renderosity. The depicted violence would be offensive to many - both male and female, and although it's message may be of value to some, it is indeed violent in it's presentation. Blues

Im not going to comment on this topic anymore they took it down so be it but its not going to stop me from expressing my views through my work and i render my image in regular old poser..:-)

one more point i see tons of images of violence, weather it be sword fights, fist fights or what not so how far dose the vilonce meter go before one decides it to much

dark raven: "...basicly it was an image of a female avenging an attack against a women i see nothing wrong." sorry, but as i see it, the woman on the right is even more shocked then that guy on the floor. to me it is just violence for it's own sake, i am unable to find out why is she avenging (for what?) anyone...

I saw the image before it was removed and then just went on to the next image in the gallery. If the TOS says no mutilation/torture will be allowed to stay up then you really have no right to complain about it as it does go against the TOS here. I do not support the abuse of women but nor do I support the abuse of men. Yes I am a woman. I was abused as a child but as an adult, I understand that not all men are the same. Just as not all women are darling little angels. Never. Never, say you are speaking for all women because you are not speaking for me. I have met a lot of men who treat women wonderfully. My husband included. And seen women who treat their husbands like dirt despite the fact that he is good to her and has never hit her. I'll get off my soapbox now.

I fail to see the problem here... The image violates TOS. Period. Renderosity is a private site, they choose what is allowed and what is not by having a TOS. If you're a member here, you follow the rules or you go somewhere else. This is not a freedom of speach issue. We are guests here and as such we have to accept the conditions of our host, Renderosity. Of course the TOS can be discussed, but as long as they are written as they are, they should be followed.

Hmmm why is such a double standard you will all go out and watch movies, tv shows read stories about crimes against movies its all good but the minute us girls make a stand about it you want to shut us up Power to us women i say all women rise up in your beds tonight and cut your mans penis off << Hmmmmmmm.....no thank you. I'm too much of a Real Woman to cut a mans penis off. Also, I would much rather render them in Poser instead. Sasha

1. the image violates the TOS 2. the good folks at renderosity can be sued and/or jailed for images that are in their webspace (as unlikely as that is, it is still possible) which is the reason they have a TOS in the first place. This site is american and they must comply with both federal & state laws. 3. looking at the image before reading dark raven's explaination (or if you don't speak english), the only crime being commited is against the man. 4. I personally fall into the "cut it off" catagory as well, with regards to what to do with violent sexual offenders. That and lorena bobbit should have popped the piece she took into the microwave as she walked out the door. interesting side note - a cut off penis, without the blood to support it would look more like a empty shriveled up water balloon.

4. I personally fall into the "cut it off" catagory as well, with regards to what to do with violent sexual offenders. That and lorena bobbit should have popped the piece she took into the microwave as she walked out the door.<<<
   
   Jesus!! I would NEVER consider Lorena Bobbit some sort of hero or leader of 'Cut their penis off' womens movement. That woman is sick and that was a psychotic act of the first magnitude. BUT if she had KILLED the son-of-a-bitch, I would have some sympathy for her. :)

Sasha

sorry shadowcat that wasent aimed at you, that whole Lorena Bobbet thing disgusts me. :)

hmmm.....Dark Raven, a glance shows the image is against the tos here, but I"m sure if you went to rotica and posted it in thier x-horror gallery you would get just as much of an uproar. partly because a lot of men are extremely disturbed when seeing a woman capable of defending herself. partly because all violent images cause reactions. just a couple of questions for you: 1) why have the knife strapped to the back of her hand? 2) why not render the blood splatter onto the texture for the victims shoulder instead of having it appear as a 3d object floating beside it? the value of the image in making a statement against or for something is always increased by the realism in the image. though that is just my own opinion. Jaqui

What a wonderful way to express "Penis Envy", then get five minutes of fame and publicity by accusing the moderators of Quote:- "supporting crimes against women" because they have a duty to enforce the TOS agreement. I think the mods have been very tolerant by not locking this thread and deleting your Tripod link. Tommy.

Apparently I didn't look closely at the picture when it was first viewed. I had to go back and see the chopped off penis. Dark Angel, I'm very sorry someone hurt you so badly. I can imagine the rage and pain you must feel. There does come a time when you must work past that pain and rage, and you must go on with your life. You must allow yourself the freedom to be a full, happy, thriving woman. You must make your way to recovery, or the evil people who hurt you will have won. Renderosity and TOS are not your enemies. We didn't hurt you, and we don't want to stifle or subjugate you. But Renderosity represents a place where artists can go to share their art and sensibilities. It is not a place to act out our rage, and the baser parts of our human psyche. Dark Angel, I care about you even though I don't know you. I urge you to get professional help so you can advance along the road to recovery. Take care, Ron

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I totally agree with Kendra ("I think the problem with this particular image is it doesn't convey enough. All I see is a violent image. I don't see what brought your characters to this scene. I understand it being pulled."). As for women standing up for themselves and defending themselves, you don't have to mutilate a man to do that.

I have fewer reservations about the image's content than I do tips about the image itself. Renderosity is a bit conservative, but they're trying to avoid trouble in terms of children accessing the site, etc. I agree that Western cultural actively advocates violence against women -- not just supports it through silence or inaction, but advocates it. I think in terms of your picture, if the penis was not there at all, it might be more acceptable. I didn't even see it at the first viewing. 1.) The figure who did the cutting is too much in the dark -- it's hard to tell that it is a woman. 2.) For emotionally charged images, I think it's a better idea to be closer on the figures. Such a distance makes the viewer more distant. 3.) If the point is to cut off the man's penis -- if that's the focus of the idea, than that fact needs more focus -- if we don't even notice it sitting there, then something's amiss. If you find that Renderosity is too restrictive, you can do one of two things -- post to Renderotica, or make your images slightly more abstract and symbolic. You can get away with much more with symbolism. One of the reasons for the emergence of Absurdism in European theatre was that playwrights from restrictive countries could express opinions about potentially explosive topics by dealing with allegory and symbols. Unfortunately, in a deomcracy (if what passes for democracy in the world can actually be called that) the government doesn't do most of the censorship -- your neighbor with the small mind and the big mouth does. Mike

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The way I see it, quitcherbitchin. Vengeance or not, if the genders in that image were reversed you'd be the first one with a pitchfork, Dark_Raven. And don't give me that "centuries of abuse and now we're evening things up" crap. You think females don't abuse males? How about this: I do some self-prescribed art therapy and do an image of my Huge Evil Stepmother sitting there with her vagina gashed out and bleeding while I stand by looking small, pathetic and shocked and some big, strong, protective Super Daddy stands there wielding a knife with an expression of Sardonic Wrath on his face. That would be fair, right? Does that put it in a perspective you can grasp? Can you just accept the fact that there are Bad Women out there too? That Men In General are not rapists? Somehow I don't think you're that far along yet. How long do you think that image would last here? Does Renderosity support crimes against men too????

You MUST OBEY THE SQUIRREL

"i say all women rise up in your beds tonight and cut your mans penis off" If you are in bed with "your man" what right do you have to do violence to him. if you dislike him that much leave him. violence is never the answer. look at the example of isreal and the palistinians. Violence only begets more violence. (((o.k. I'm running for cover now. OBEY THE SQ....)))

Dear Squirrel, I would gladly kill for you, if only it didn't require making an effort. So nuts to you.

She was obeying the squirrel. DUH.

"i say all women rise up in your beds tonight and cut your mans penis off" How does chris81173 feel about that?

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THEY ARE NUTS!

Okay first of all i never said killing men randomly was okay you have to see the image to understand what this topic is about so if you did not see it dont comment on the topic, second of all as for my b/f chris what he thought of the image when i made he laughed his ass off, granted he. Dose that make you think he is a bad person to well let me tell you what a bad person he is. This is a guy that is now on probation for stoping some guy from raping a girl at a club one night, when we left the club some guy was attacking a girl, when chris pulled the guy off of her, he started to attack him, chris beat the hell out of the guy in self defense, the guy is still out there, chris has 5 years probation think about that for awhile before you comment on stuff you have no idea about

Okay, time-out. This is starting to get out of hand. Most have managed to avoid getting personal so far in this thread, but it's getting near the line. Please stick to the issue and stop having a dig at each other. Kevin.

kbennett, if youre referring to my question about D_R's boyfriend, I do sincerely apologize if it came across as a personal dig. It was not intended that way. I was merely curious as to what he might feel about her particular statement, which I quoted, about all women cutting off their men's penises. She responded with his opinion of the picture. My question is simply: why does someone in favor of universal castration have a boyfriend? I feel that's a legitimate part of the topic considering she started the thread. Never meant to hurt anybody, just havin some fun with the ideas.

Dark Raven, I think a lot of comments were directed toward your "i say all women rise up in your beds tonight and cut your mans penis off" comment. That's what people are responding to. Not "stuff we have no idea about". Also, the squirrel commanded it be so.

response to shasha: even in today's "modern society" it is still difficult to get away from an abussive man, no matter what the woman wants. everyday there are cases of women being abused AFTER leaving. Just last month (locally) there was a woman murdered outside her mothers home because she had filed for a divorce. lorena garenteed that mr. bobbit would leave her alone permenantly. but did he learn? no, mr.bobbit continues to abuse women. in case you missed it, he was recently arrested again. causing him to miss out on celebrity boxing (where he probably would have made a pretty penny) is it a psychotic act? yes, but in the eyes of the law it is the better choice. murder can put you in jail for life (or to death) but cutting "it" off is only an assault.

Hiram the whole topic is not about cutting off your b/f penis, the topic started about in my image a girl stopped a rape from happing by choping off the attackers male appendage now why people would feel offended by doing something like this only gives me the impression they approve of a male successfully attacking a girl. Im come on what is wrong with a girl taken matters into her own hand as my story dictated about my boyfriend being on probation is a perfect example how are judical system is not perfect and the wrong people get punished so saying that i stand by my convictions and say there is nothing wrong with my image I made. This is not a perfect world people if you think violence is a new thing you need to pick up some books and read violence started with the first murder in the bible if your not sure about it read how Cain killed Able since then there has been violence through out history so get use to it. I know all of you dont feel violence should not be displayed in anyform you are a hypocrit cause you watch it all the time when you go see a movie watch tv listen to music I highly doubt your sitting in movie and when violence is shown you get up and walk out cause your "offended by it" do you?

Hiram, I wasn't referring to you in particular, but to the general tone in the latter part of the thread. Kevin.

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"why people would feel offended by doing something like this only gives me the impression they approve of a male successfully attacking a girl." Or perhaps that that particular portrayal of the ideal was considered outside the TOS here. Which is PRECISELY what this thread started out to be. You're using bad logic here. Just because they removed the image doesn't mean they disagree with it's message. And, I might remind you, it's message is not clear just from looking at it. It has personal meaning for you, but I just see a guy that got seduced into a dark alley by a stripper-type and then got mugged and slaughtered by her maniacal girlfriend. Well, that's not what I really see, but it's one interpretaion in the absence of an explanation. Your words: "the whole topic is not about cutting off your b/f penis" "i say all women rise up in your beds tonight and cut your mans penis off"

"now why people would feel offended by doing something like this only gives me the impression they approve of a male successfully attacking a girl."

Give me a break. I couldn't give a hoot about the image itself. I object to you presuming to speak for all women everywhere with this "cut them all off" attitude. Violence isn't always the answer.
Not only should you not presume to speak for all women, you don't have the right to assume what anyone "approves" of.

"I know all of you dont feel violence should not be displayed in anyform you are a hypocrit cause you watch it all the time when you go see a movie watch tv listen to music I highly doubt your sitting in movie and when violence is shown you get up and walk out cause your "offended by it" do you?"

Some punctuation and a dictionary might help you get your point across better.

I'm offended by you assuming that women everywhere should tout your hatred for men. I've been through a rape, faced him in court, learned of his release, went through the psycotherapy, and the self defense courses and have managed to hold my anger to ONE man instead of all men in general. (I'm refering to your "rise up in your beds tonight and cut your mans penis off" comment)

It's amazing how one irresponsible comment can cut so deep into women who've managed to be responsible about their anger towards abuse.

Someone lock this thread before I get myself banned.

...... Kendra

I'm so glad a woman made those points. Thank you, Kendra.

okay first of all i dont need a dictionary or grammer lesson sorry i type fast and typos do happen, forgive me for being human and making mistakes im not miss perfect like you must think you are. When I orignally posted the image there was an explaination of the image but when they removed the image it takes away the explanation to, so it did explain the detail of the image. And if your offended by my sarcatic remark about cutting off a guys man part get a sense of humor. If they want to use the no violence rule then i expect them to take down every image that shows any form of violence in the gallery, that includes a sword fight or someone hitting someone else. If you dont approve of violence then why do you approve of any type of violence no matter how moderate it is?

Dark_Raven. Just because I do not agree with cutting a man's penis off does NOT mean I condone men attacking women. What it does mean is that I do not see it as the answer to the problem. Rape is not just about sex. It is about power as well. A man without a penis can still rape a woman with other objects and that form of rape will be more severe as he will not be able to "feel" the self gratification (or whatever one wants to call it). So, eventually, without the penis, rape with another object can lead to something far worse than just the emotional damage (I do know that emotional damage can be quite enough) You really do need to seek therapy over this. I did. Because if you don't you will end up not making friends because they do not agree with you. We are individuals with our right to think as we wish. Your accusations against us makes you no better that of what you accuse us of. No one is trying to suppress you or condone violence. If you had truly read our posts then you would understand this. This has been said before (by me and others here) and I will say it again. Your image violated the TOS here. The TOS was in place before you posted your image. You have nothing to complain about.

What I see is a terrified woman against a wall covered in blood staring at a woman dressed in black leather and a specially made "freddy kruger" glove who is looking back at her with a "you're next" expression. The man doesn't appear to be a rapist to me...he looks like the victim of a mutilation by a psychopathic killer on a rampage. To me, the picture looks a lot more like this woman stalked a couple sneaking off into an alley (or whatever that's supposed to be) to have sex and is in the process of killing them. Either way, rape and mutilation are hardly going to pass the TOS restriction so I don't see any point to you complaining that they pic was removed. Saying that "Renderosity supports crimes against women" because they won't let you post this kind of picture is grossly inappropriate.

As for your vigilante justice "its OK to multilate someone if they're bad" argument, how sad that you think that two wrongs make a right. Screw the legal system, lets mete out punishment on the streets any way we see fit, right? Obey the squirrel indeed.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=2650&Start=1&Sectionid=0&MostWanted=Yes

if your going to use the terms of service card then throw out this image it violates the "Rules" with touching of private parts. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=2650&Start=1&Sectionid=0&MostWanted=Yes

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1962&Start=19&Sectionid=0&MostWanted=Yes

There is touching of a female body parts by a male in this one to remove it it violates TOS http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1962&Start=19&Sectionid=0&MostWanted=Yes

It doesn't say "private parts" it says genital contact. Those are not genitals. Posting Unacceptable Images which include; 1. Depictions of physical arousal or sexual acts. 2. Genital contact with ANY object, other than sitting or clothing. 3. Rape or torture of any living or dead creature. (Any post or image can be removed at the discretion of staff if it is deemed unsuitable for this community)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=31916&Start=73&Sectionid=0&MostWanted=Yes

here is another one that should be removed but this is a good image of Borris Vjello paintings but it violates the TOS which also brings up the question no answered before what if borris, or another artist like Louis Royo posted want of there images up here would you say its unacceptable? If so i like you to tell them that and see what they say to you. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=31916&Start=73&Sectionid=0&MostWanted=Yes

Hi shadowcat I believe that some women just have to take their chances with the law. Depending on where you live of course, in some areas of the world a woman may only get probation and counseling at an abused womens shelter for killing a abusive raping husband, and elsewhere she could be stoned to death or burned at the stake above her dead husbands grave. In Lorenas area of the world, if she had killed her husband (lets say with a gun) after hearing her story the jury would most likely be sypathetic and Lorena would have gotten off with minimum jail time. But if he had DIED of blood loss from the cut off penis, they would throw the book at her and she would rot in prison for such a heinous crime. In the eyes of the law every killing is different. If such a man deserves to have his penis cut off like that, then that man doesent deserve to live. Sasha :)

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http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=37289&Start=127&Sectionid=0&MostWanted=Yes This one violates all the TOS they said mine violated and more mine had no sexual touching like this one did but this one dose have mutilation in the form of decapation and its in the most view section.....seems pretty hypocritical to me

BTW my post 70 above, quoting the TOS was in response to D_R's post 68, not 69. In regard to post 69, I'd say, close, and I get your point, but no cigar. He's not touching her gentials. And again, it doesn't say "body parts" it says genitals. That would be: the penis, testicles, vagina and/or vulva. I'm sure the spirit of the rule would include the anus as well.

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you want genital touching in this one even though they tried to block out somethings its obvious her leg is between the other girls leg touch the genitals http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=49436&Start=217&Sectionid=0&MostWanted=Yes

Ooooh. Lurid. You're really on a witch hunt now aren't you? They should make you a mod. You're obviously hell-bent on ignoring any form of rationality. You just don't get it do you? They're allowed to take down any image they think is unsuitable, at their discretion. You've really made quite a showing for yourself on your first entrance to the community. I'm sure everyone (including me)will welcome you with open arms once you learn how to play well with others. You started by asking for opinions... "anyways here is the link to see the image let me know if you think its to much, which i have seen worse on here. and if you feel renderosity is wrong in removing post here to put my picture back up" ...but didn't like the ones you got from experienced members here, so now you're out for blood. What do you hope to gain? If you want to be part of our community, you have to learn how it works, you can't just show up and immediately make demands that we change things you don't understand.

Nice ass on the chick in the thong. Keep postin'!

They're allowed to take down any image they think is unsuitable, at their discretion. Oh I see so what your saying is that renderosity feel if they think your cool your images will never be removed no matter how close to breaking the TOS but if your new then your assed out huh? and I got more news for you im not on this earth to impress anyone you dont like me to bad i dont care sorry Im not here to do a popularity contest. sorry if that is what this site is about then maybe I will stop coming here if I am not cool enough for all mighty rendersoity people. I never once said a bad thing about anyone posting here name calling or what not but since this topic started I been refered to as dumb, told i need theorpy, psychotic,, etc, ect, so is that what you call welcoming people with open arms, more like flaming arms huh?

Dark Raven. STOP making it personal. Moderators judge the image. Not the artist. Get a grip on reality. I understand that you may have been hurt but now you are just acting childish. This was never an attack on you.

"okay first of all i dont need a dictionary or grammer lesson sorry i type fast and typos do happen, forgive me for being human and making mistakes im not miss perfect like you must think you are."

There you go assuming again. I don't claim perfection. I never refered to myself nor did I compare myself to you. Some of your "grammar mistakes" have rendered your sentences incoherent. We shouldn't have to read through them several times to try to figure out what you are saying.

"And if your offended by my sarcatic remark about cutting off a guys man part get a sense of humor."

A sense of humor or a warped sense of humor? Because I fail to see the humor in suggesting that women do such a thing. Your statement didn't include the words "your abuser", it said "your men". Not funny, not helpful in any way and most certainly not an intelligent way of dealing with the problem of abuse.

"If they want to use the no violence rule then i expect them to take down every image that shows any form of violence in the gallery, that includes a sword fight or someone hitting someone else."

I believe your image fell under the term "mutilation" which is a TOS violation. Violence in general, is not. I don't care if your image stays in the Galleries or not, I object to your message of hate here.

"If you dont approve of violence then why do you approve of any type of violence no matter how moderate it is?"

You seem to be the authority on what I, and others here, approve of. Tell me if you can figure out what number I'm thinking of now?
I never said I didn't approve of violence. I said violence isn't always the answer. My self defense courses were pretty violent. I'll use what I know if I have to. I'd rather not.
But there is a HUGE difference between self defense and you telling women they should cut off their man's penis.
If you won't listen to reasoning here and would rather cry childishly 'my way or the highway' you aren't going to get very far. If you want to discuss the problem of abuse in a rational manner you'll find a lot of support.

I don't support general hate and I've counseled/supported/listened to many women online who've been through abuse.

"I never once said a bad thing about anyone posting here name calling or what not but since this topic started I been refered to as dumb, told i need theorpy, psychotic,, etc, ect, so is that what you call welcoming people with open arms, more like flaming arms huh?"

You actually expect to post hate comments in the forums, and expect to be welcomed with open arms? Try a little rationality and you'll see the difference. It doesn't matter how "cool" anyone thinks your images are.

...... Kendra

"I'm so glad a woman made those points. Thank you, Kendra."

Welcome. :)

...... Kendra

Well, I was raped too... what am I supposed to do? Go out and hurt the first man who comes my way, or get over it and on with life and try not to convey my fear and hatred to my children? Vengeance leaves you empty all the way!

L'ultima fòrza è nella morte.

i've tried to collect my thoughts before posting... i think the first thing i would have thought if it were me that posted an image as Dark_Raven's and it was taken down, is hurt... intially, that someone was being in-sincere to the message i was trying to convey. she stated that she was mad when she first typed it. she is only human. i think most of us say things out of anger that we wish we could take back. i do not think she should have said some things, but a child victim of rape, i totally relate to the message she was trying to share. i would be a lier if i said i did not have thoughts occassionally about rapists, sex offenders, pedos, child molesters ( or whatever you want to call them) having their privates removed. i still wish their was a crime punishment that would allow this. i really get upset when a father molests a child, or a stranger...and i think i have fantized about not cutting it off, but much more serious than that! it has been proven that sex offenders cannot be re-habilitated. so...they just get released back into society and do it again. the image she created may give some women a sense of revenge...not against men, but against the men who commit these crimes. i really find it difficult for anyone to fully understand her image unless either they or a loved one have been victimized. many people are against the death penalty until it directly involves them and a loved one. then they are seeking renvenge too? oh im sorry...they call it "closure". what i cannot understand is that how can a artist be a artist if they are not allowed to draw what they feel? some poetry is very dark. and it creates a different image inside each of our heads very differntly. just as dark_ravens image did. it offended some. it made some giggle. it maybe made some cry, etc. but it is art. she is an artist and her art and thoughts should not be attacked. (calling her names like dumb or psycopath, etc) and she should have refrained from using words like rise up and cut your mans' penis' off. or that renderosity supports crime against women, etc. but is this an open forum?? i do feel that she is correct in saying there are many images here that depict some type of violence and some torture and how is that line divided? i personally do not like seeing anything with hitler in it. he reminds me of violence/torture, etc. i think she should continue her art and post it on a private web page. but as much as we'd all like a truly open forum and ability to post what we want, we have to respect the TOS's and the laws in some sit-e-ations. dark raven i leave you with this: (Sung to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies) Come and listen to my story of a man named John, A poor ex-marine with a little fraction gone. It seems one night after gettin' with his wife, She lopped off his schlong with the swipe of a knife. (Penis, that is) (Clean cut, Missed his nuts) Well, the next thing you know, there's a ginsu by his side, And Lorena's in the car takin' Willie for a ride. She soon got tired of her purple-headed friend, And tossed him out the window as she came around the bend. (Curve, that is) (Pricker shrubs, Wheel hubs) She went to the cops and confessed to the attack, And they called out the hounds just to get his weanie back. They sniffed and they barked and they pointed Over There,'' To John Wayne's Henry that was waving in the air. (Found, that is) (By a fence, Evidence) Now Peter and John couldn't stay apart too long, So the Dick Doc said,Hey, I can fix your Dong!'' ``A needle and a thread is all you're gonna need.'' And the whole world waited 'til they heard that Johnny peed. (Whizzed, that is) (Even seam, Straight stream) Well, he healed and he hardened and he took his case to court, With a cock-eyed lawyer since his assets came up short. They cleared her of assault and acquitted him of rape, And his pecker was the only one they didn't show on tape. (Video, that is) (Unexposed, Case closed)

No one here said she shouldn't create whatever images she wanted to. Renderosity has a TOS and it violated it. Thats all. I don't even think that was what most of this was about.

Any time someone reacted to her comments, which were pretty harsh and hate filled and not very well thought out (IMO), she would accuse them of supporting violence or being a hypocrite. Look at the title of her thread. It's unfair of her to accuse Renderosity of such a thing.

"she is an artist and her art and thoughts should not be attacked."

But making the statement she made, in a public forum, is not "her thoughts". Nor is it fair to women, who have worked damn hard at being responsible about their anger, who are trying to combat that stereotype that abused women hate men.

She told me to get a sense of humor on the subject. In all the years of dealing with this subject, I fail to see the humor in any of this.

...... Kendra

Cinnamon Hey, that's real cute. I like it. I happen to agree (and probably the most sensible thing written so far) with your statemnt on artistic thinking/statements vs TOS censorship - or atleast that's how I took it. There have been a few images removed according to TOS violations recently, but as one scans the galleries one can find other images that probably should have been dealt with in the same manner, but weren't for whatever reason. I have my suspicions as to why, but it's neither here nor there. Dark_Raven: getting into a pissing match about this is doing you no good nor is it helping your cause. Right or wrong, they are doing what they feel is right. There are a few other sites around that would host the image, because thier TOS is less restrictive and gives you, the artist, a wider range of latitude for statements of any kind. As for your image on artistic value: Your composition needs some work and could tell the story a bit better. Also You need to work on the lighting of the scene some more. Just my opinion. OBEY THE SQUIRREL.....

Just as a side note on other TOS violations in the galleries, we are aware there are some images in the galleries that "walk the TOS", but there are literally hundreds of images posted everyday, and only about 25 mods and admins (most of whom wear many "hats" here and who also have forums, contests, the magazine, the convention, the marketplace and, even, on occasion, the real world to attend to), so it is impossible for us to view each and every image. We therefore depend upon the members themselves to help us catch these images - and always appreciate an IM or email (with a link) when you spot one you think is a violation. We're not ignoring these images - we're just understaffed and overimaged....and appreciate your help and understanding! :-) Thanks! sweet

hello everyone, first off, to stop the background chanting you can hit the 'stop' button on your browser after the webpage loads fully. that will end any background sounds that load with some of the posts in this thread. >There have been a few images removed according to TOS violations recently, but as one scans the galleries one can find other images that probably should have been dealt with in the same manner, but weren't for whatever reason. I have my suspicions as to why, but it's neither here nor there. i'll speak directly to that. the ONLY reason that an image remains in the gallery that violates our TOS is that we are not aware of it. we don't judge an image, it's message, or the member posting. we look at the RULES that are in place for this community and that is what we enforce, to the best of our ability. not everyone agrees with the moderator's decisions and on occassion, the group of mods may make a decision which the vocal part of the community has a problem with. we review these things on a case-by-case basis and act according to what we feel represents the TOS the best. that's all of it, really. as a group, i am sure the mods here would much rather spend time working and helping members in their respective forums than having arguments with disgruntled members over cencorship. the image in question was pulled because the moderators felt it violated the TOS. not because of any message, or because of who posted it. thanks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ for your convenience, here are some of basic parts of the TOS we work to uphold: Terms of Service Renderosity Terms of Service (TOS) Renderositys Mission is to create a thriving, productive environment that encourages an atmosphere of community, respect, collaboration, and growth for graphic artists of all backgrounds. The Community's Administrators and Moderators have created the following Terms of Service agreement that governs members participation and practices within Renderosity. As a member/user of Renderosity, it is your responsibility to know, and adhere to the Terms of Service. Member/User Conduct: Members and users are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that is constructive and respectful of others at all times. Additionally, we would hope that each member/user would do their best to facilitate a culture of collaboration and positive reinforcement, so that we can all share our passion for art while realizing our personal ambitions, and developing friendships. Members/Users will not use this community for; Any practices that affect the normal operations of the community (Admins will take whatever steps are necessary to restore service). Transmitting any libelous, defamatory, or any other material that could give rise to any civil or criminal liability under the law. Personal attacks. This includes but is not limited to, destructive, abusive, defamatory communications in any form, and retaliatory attacks from personal attacks. If you need assistance, please communicate with someone from our Renderosity Team. Destructive commentary/communications made with the intent to disrupt or attack (Trolling). This applies to any communications within this community, whether in the forums, art galleries, graffiti wall, chat, or IM. Advertising or linking to any publications and/or web sites that are age restricted due to content, and/or pornographic in nature. Posting Unacceptable Images which include; 1. Depictions of physical arousal or sexual acts. 2. Genital contact with ANY object, other than sitting or clothing. 3. Rape or torture of any living or dead creature. (Any post or image can be removed at the discretion of staff if it is deemed unsuitable for this community) Members/Users found practicing these behaviors receive; Deletion of the post/s. First event - warning by email and/or IM. Second event Forum Suspension for 1 or 7 days or Temporary Community ban for 3 or 7 days. Third event Membership revoked, and access to the community permanently blocked. This includes any duplicate accounts for the same person. Renderosity considers this information private and confidential. However, there may be certain situations that necessitate otherwise. Conduct - Zero Tolerance Renderosity maintains a Zero Tolerance on certain behaviors within the community. These include, but are not limited to the following. Any threats of physical harm, property damage or acts of violence toward another individual, or group of individuals. Fraudulent use of credit cards or refusing to pay for items recieved from The MarketPlace. Soliciting or Trading of any products illegally. This includes, but is not limited to, requests and/or distribution of computer software, software security overrides and serial numbers. (Warez) Intentional practices that affect the normal operations of the community (Admins will take whatever steps are necessary to restore service). Members/Users found practicing these behaviors will immediately have their membership revoked, and access to the community permanently blocked from the community including any duplicate accounts for the same person. Renderosity considers this information private and confidential. However, there may be certain situations that necessitate otherwise. The appropriate legal authorities will be contacted, and if appropriate charges may be filed.

LOL sweet... crossposting. sorry dudette.

In answer to the original question, no, renderosity does not support depictions of crimes against women. Nor do we support depictions of crimes against men, including vigillantiism, and violent assault. All that aside, the core of the matter is that it is very plainly written in the TOS that images of rape or torture are not allowed. That is why the image was deleted- no more, no less.

Hey, no prob, audre - the squirrel made us do it!

LoL...my little Katelynn caused all this this kinda of comical if you really think about it. For those of you that dont know me or Kate(Dark_Raven) I am her boyfriend and fyi my penis is still in tact now that I hope I can shead some light on this. She showed me the image before she posted and I laughed my ass off it is funny to me. but most of you that are replying to this topic did not see the orignal image in full contact before it was removed and therefor you are commenting on things blindly. For those of you that did you would notice the title was No means NO!, which should tell you right away the image is not about two girls leading a guy into an alley to hurt him. Second of all if you did not understand the title perhaps if you would of read the discription included it was stating that the character who she named Dark Raven after herself,(being her first image ever she named it after her) consider herself a womens rights activist. Which by that i support totally there is no justice in this world and i see nothing wrong with taken matters in your own hands. if you dont know what i mean scroll up where kate talked about me being on probation now for stoping some guy from raping a girl he attacked me Im on 5 years probation he still out there. If that is hard to believe think about this everytime i fill out a application for a job i have to check the box saying i was convicted of a crime. and for what helping someone out so i think some vegilanty justice is necssary in this world. Another topic to address and I really hate using this as an example but maybe it will make some of you think about it. Some claim using violence against violence is not the answer if that be the case why are over in middle east fighting a war. you honestly think they are over there arresting people. trying to bring people in to court to face trial No they are. They are over there taking matters into there own hands and kicking those people ass who violated are country and that makes me proud to be an american. So my question is how can you say you cant support violent acts against an individual that did one person harm but we support our arm forces who are avengening our lost of 9-11?Its not any diffrent its the same thing as kates character taken matters in her own hands, so in that way it makes you a hypocrit. Sure you can make the argument well they took 1000s of lifes but if that be the case and your argument what makes 1000 lifes more valuable then one life. It dont any way you look at it this is the way the world is. and like i stated the way the world should after all look at the cop cars in your area I know here they no longer bear the protect and serve logo anymore why is that you think? think about all the people that get off on technicalities now days even though they are guilty as sin. I truley support anyone who has been a victim if they can catch their attack and dispose of them. I say go for it, cause if im in that sitution again where i can stop someone from harming another person i will even though it means I will go to jail for violation of probation. Im sorry you guys think kate is this horriable person for standing by her convictions but that is something I admire and love about her she dont back down from anyone and she will fight you until the end in what she belives in. And I will end this on this note you dont know us dont judge us. but please make sure you understand this topic before you come in and start name calling before you really fully understand what the topic is about. I hope no one takes hard feelings for this but I stand by kates feelings and i think i know her better then anyoen here and she is the most wonderful person in the world who gose out her way to do anything for anyone so that is all I have to say.

Chris, I appreciate your writing and I'm glad to know that all your body parts are intact. :-) The fact remains however, that Kate's image violated the TOS here and was removed for that reason, and that reason alone. We don't go by the accompanying title and text, or the artist's intent (which we really cannot know), we go by the image itself, and the image itself was not in line with our rules and guidelines for posting. The issues of whether violence begets violence and whether vigilante justice is justifiable have been debated since time began, with no conclusions other than one's own personal opinion, which we are all entitled to. There are avenues of recourse towards one's abusers that fall within the system, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but this is true of all things in life - sometimes one must simply come to terms with that, and go on to live the best life they can....as they say, living well very often is the best revenge. You say we don't know Kate, so don't judge her - but this is exactly what she has done. She has come here with mistaken conclusions and made assumptions as to people's motives and feelings that she can not possibly know to be true - and even after having the situation clarified for her several times, continued to spout invective against people she does not even know. I'm sure there are many good things about Kate that we do not know, but she seems to carry a great deal of rage and pain, and directs them in ways that can only be harmful to her in the long run. I truly hope that she can work through her issues and learn to deal with these feelings in more constructive ways - there are many survivors out there who can benefit from the example of someone who has been abused and gone on to lead a caring, rewarding and productive life, and I hope that she can become an example such as this. sweet

Intentions may be all well and good, it may be art, it may not be but the bottom line is it does violate the TOS (Yes, I've seen the image)so that is why they took it down. When you sign up, you agree to follow the TOS, it is our responsibility as members to read and make sure we understand the TOS before we post either in the forums or in the galleries. If we have questions, we should ask first so there will be no misunderstandings...sometimes we do sometimes we don't. I don't see anywhere in the TOS or anywhere in this community that states if we don't like what happened to our images or our threads that it gives us the right to use the moderators, admins or other members as verbal punching bags to get our points across. Not even when they act like raving lunatics.... some thing just aren't right, are they? It's nice that Dark Raven is passionate in her beliefs and her principals, but let's face it, a lot of her comments sound more like hate then passion....and if she is so angry that she can't type coherently then she needs to take a step back and take a deep breath before typing. Coherent statements go a long way in being able to understand the other side of things. Chris, as her boyfriend, you need to help her understand the wisdom of doing so. The fact that some find her image offensive, means just that, some find the image offensive. Stuff like that happens in the artworld. Some people found Pink Ponies offensive, go figure. >>look at the cop cars in your area I know here they no longer bear the protect and serve logo anymore why is that you think?think about all the people that get off on technicalities now days even though they are guilty as sin.<< Step carefully there, chris....you might want to think that perhaps it's the system that gets these jerks off and not the police officers that capture them in the first place. Police officers can only do what the law allows them. Don't think that they wouldn't love to beat the crap out of some jerk or even lock them in the trunk for a nice long ride in the country. But you see, they are too busy dodging the video cameras and the guns from the gangs and everyone that screams how they have violated some criminal's cival rights....oh yeah...don't even go there....Walk a mile in their shoes before you start pointing fingers. Look to the lawmakers and the politicians for that problem, and even the complacent citizen who has allowed society to become more and more lenient because they are so afraid that their rights will be stepped on too. It's not the poor cop that tries to do their job. (whole nuther thread)Maybe I misunderstood your meaning with those statements, I sure hope so. Sorry to bore everyone...totally and completely irrelevent to the thread I know, I know.... Okay the image violated the TOS, that's all, nothing personal, it just broke the rules so it doesn't get to stay. Kinda like a criminal that breaks the law and gets caught...doesn't get to stay either. Kind of ironic, isn't it? Pendy

okay first of all it all there someone gose again calling names as i look through the threads i see no where she calls people names but i think calling her a lunatic along with psychotic ect is a little harsh if you want ot get into and name calling match sorry its not my style if your trying to piss me off try harder not going to work. I agree it is our responsablity to follow the rules and with that being said it is the mod, admin RESPONSIBILTY to make sure ALL images are removed, and not make excuses well its to much work for us to catch everyone, some of those images have been up for quite awhile as i can see by the date. The point is if your going to provide a place for people to visit and you want them to follow the rules then enforce the rules for everyone. If its to much work then change something to make it easier but stick to your commitment of enforcing the rules. As far as our laws and system gose your right you dont want to go there with me cause you have not walked in my shoes and there for you have no idea of what im talking about so yea lets not go there.

That's enough. Anyone with any concerns which have not been addressed here can contact a mod or admin directly.