The Renderosity Marketplace will start offering digital printed artwork on July 1st. Renderosity has partnered with DesignToPrint a premier printing company with indepth experience in printing digital works. Working together, Renderosity's Marketplace can deliver very high quality printed artwork to your door. All printable products have 6 product options for you to choose from. 16"x20" Gloss Laminated Print 16"x20" Canvas Print 16"x20" Stretched Canvas Print 22"x28" Gloss Laminated Print 22"x28" Canvas Print 22"x28" Stretched Canvas Print Watch the MarketPlace for some really awesome Digital Art Prints that can be delivered right to your door! Clint

Clint Hawkins
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Fantastic! I can't wait to see the details!

Exactly how does the Digital Art Prints section work? Will it be just like the current marketplace, where people upload specific images made for print sizing, or can you take gallery images and request prints? This sounds very interesting...I just might find some posters for my walls anyways.

Just like the MarketPlace. You cant take gallery images. Clint

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Will you print ANY image? I mean, will the image have to be withing the TOS, even though the only people seeing it will be the printer and the purchaser?

A section within the marketplace will be created and all images will have to be within the TOS. thanks tammy

How/when/where do we submit our stuff for print? This is marvelous, thanks so much!

We will open it up on July 1st. There will be a new option in the MarketPlace upload area for Digital Art Prints. Clint

Clint Hawkins
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Cool! There goes more money ;)

Thanks, Clint - been thinking about getting into some printwork for a while, this looks like a good way to start!

I presume you will only print as an image is purchased?? Example I submit an image.. Fanny Brice decides to purchase it. Then you print etc Am I correct thinking this?? Ok what happens if the customer decides they don't like the print once purchased? Who bears the costs of any refund? Helen

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Hi Helen, You are 100% correct. Prints are printed and shipped when ordered. Refunds will be handled as they currently are in the MP. Renderosity and the Artist share the refund costs. We dont anticipate any problems with the prints. I've seen the samples and they are very high quality. Clint

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Thanks Clint Much appreciated.. :) Helen

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Your very welcome. Clint

Clint Hawkins
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Clint, almost all of the stuff sold in the marketplace is software related, and refunds are easy to handle. What happens if someone returns a print? If both Renderosity and the artist are responsible for the refund, how is the refund split between the artist and Renderosity? As there is a real product (a print) someone will have to cover the cost of printing a product that was returned. Or will you just hold the print until someone wants to buy it again?

That's quite a good idea, Voodoo- holding the few refunded prints in reserve against future sale, or to sell at conventions or trade shows.

voodoo, To be 100% honest with you I dont have those answers today. I will have them before we launch on July 1st. I will communicate that information to all participating merchants. Clint

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Hey you guys! That's a very serious issue that should be resolved in a proper and professional manner. You should put NO REFUND for the prints. This is a real product and only if there is something seriously wrong with it or where demage has occured, the print will be replaced with the new one of the same kind. You already know what you are buying and by allowing a refund, people will take advantage of it and it will end up costing you and the artist lot's of money!

Another good point, especially with creation on demand products. I am sure Clint will let it be known as soon as it's decided. Good advice, though. We have some seriously savvy people here!

Ok, possibly some dumb questions, but I know next to nothing about how the Marketplace works. Are there any plans to advertise the sale of art prints outside the renderosity membership, or would members have to drive traffic to their little corner of the marketplace? Can someone who isn't a member buy prints, or would they have to sign up? Rich

Tee hee hee!!! Clint and I are working on that right now!

Cool! I should have known you would be on top of the situation, Micheleh. (no offense Clint. ;))

Awwww!! warm fuzzies Really, all the staff here have one goal- make the members successful, whether that is through learning, marketing, or whatever. I get totally hyped when I think we can get more exposure for all the fantastic talents here who really deserve it.

Ah, I understand the reason for the images being within the TOS now. I didn't understand that people will be selling prints of their work here, I thought you were merely selling the PRINTING SERVICE, like if I wanted a print of my own work, I could order it.. I don't understand, however, why the image would have to be within the TOS if the artist ISN'T selling it. If I wanted something for my personal use, and nobody else would ever see it unless they were using my bathroom, I don't see what harm could come of printing one for me. Cafe Press is doing something similar with posters and stickers (soon), but their TOS is REALLY stringent. You can't get an image printed there at all if it contains nudity.

This is such a cool idea and wonderful opportunity. I too feel there should be a "no refund" policy on this item. It is all too easy to take a print and get it duplicated nicely from colour photocopy type equipment. I know the quality will not be the same but it might just be good enough given it's almost free to the unscrupolous :)

Legume- I don't know. I will ask about the possibility of artist-eyes-only, single prints.

I would also be interested in artist-eyes-only single prints. I don't think my work is good enough to sell, but I would like some nice prints of my own pieces. Sounds weird.. but true. =)

I will have to step in here. For more than 16 years, I sold prints of my own work at Science Fiction and Fantasy conventions all over North America. (Don't get me started on customs... and Canada is supposed to be a friendly neighbor.) My price range on prints was $3 to $50, more for hand-colored, well within the fannish budget. I know something about inventory and record-keeping... useful when being audited. I also sold the originals at Art Shows. Patricia Davis is a member here, and she can certainly confirm what I say about this enterprise, because she was also selling prints from her dealer's table and originals in the art shows... and for probably as long a period of time. We know what it is like to be burned, and to burn out as both producer and proprietor of our own businesses. If you allow returns on prints, I'll buy stock in Kinko's and KwiK Copy Center. With the enhanced state of color photocopying, people will not only xox the print, they'll probably make copies for all their buddies, too. Even the cheap places can do a good enough job. If you hold returned prints in the hopes of selling them at a later convention, you will have to deal with inventory at the end of your fiscal year, as well as the hassle of shipping and displaying them properly. You are already dealing with some inventory in the form of hats and t-shirts, but that is your own merchandise... you don't have obligations to other people for its display and sale. You are probably going to subtract production costs before sharing any proceeds with the artist. You should specify up front what all those costs are going to include, and a likely amount. Are the sales going to be handled as royalties? Or what? There are slightly different tax treatments (the numbers go on different forms at tax-time). Are you going to provide statements/checks on a monthly or quarterly basis? This isn't meant to discourage you, but to let you know that there are issues which ought to be recognized and addressed before you throw the doors open. Carolly

Trust me .. we will have this resolved today in regards to refunds. Hang tight. Clint

Clint Hawkins
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Ok - To followup on a few of the outstanding questions. Eyes only or one off prints might be an option that we exlore once we have launched the Digital Art Prints (DAP). Its not currently an option but we will consider adding it as an enhancement down the road. Refunds : There will be no refunds on DAPs. All sales are final. In the event that goods are damaged in shippment a replacement product will be supplied. Clint

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Cool, now we just need Size, PPI, color separation, etc. info so we know we are going to get a good file up to the printer. Also, Is this actually going to be linked to the gallery? Like if I have the image there would there be a "Buy this print" button right in the gallery or not?

Kattman - No its not linked to the gallery at this time. Might be something we dig into down the road. When we launch on July 1st you will have access to all the Submission Guidelines for DAPs. Clint

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Sounds good! Now to get to work again, but damnit, I almost don't have time to create art anymore. I got a program I have to keep supporting and another product package on the drawing table. I'll get those things worked out I guess and just sit on the sidelines for a while to see how things go. Then I will get to work on some more finished pieces!

'Nother question. Until you have the 'eyes only' option will members get a price break on their own images? And is this open to anyone who would like to try selling an image?

...... Kendra

Hi Kendra, Yes, once we launch on July 1st it will be open to all artists. There are minimum price restrictions for each size print. So you can purchase at the min price. Clint

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You cannot believe how very intrigued I am with this entire thread. I'm completely amazed at what a good idea it is... In fact, I'm ashamed it wasn't my idea first... Hrm... Paul

Thanks Paul - We are very excited as well. :) Clint

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I'm not sure yet that my statement was complimentary, Clint. But we'll discuss that later.

This is SO sweet. I'm gonna offer prints of the Magic Pink Pony in the marketplace for TEN MILLION DOLLARS EACH.

Sorry, you can only get away with that in New York, if you pass around champagne and use $50 words. ;]

"You cannot believe how very intrigued I am with this entire thread. I'm completely amazed at what a good idea it is... In fact, I'm ashamed it wasn't my idea first... Hrm..." LOL! I had that idea, too, and probably a lot of others. However, I don't think suing for intellectual property would work. ;]

So I'm not the one that had the idea first?!? Until there's a function in the galleries, I suppose the artist could provide a link in the comments section to the MP item.

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I mentioned this sort of thing to renapd earlier this month, do I get any royalties for it?j/k good luck with it, I'm sure it will be a big success. Rob

Hmmm, funny Legume and I were the only ones who misunderstood the original idea. Now I just gotta figure out if Legume's gonna beat the crap out of me (digitally, of course) for insulting him by lumping him in with the likes of me...grin. Seriously, though, when I read it, I thought R'City had made arrangements with a quality printer to provide printing services for artists wanting to have runs of 500 or a thousand of their prints (for later sale). Numbered, etc.

I hate to open this kettle of fish but, this does bring up in a real way the whole bruhaha about free stuff not for commercial use. Don't get me wrong I think it's a great idea, but I do wonder how many pieces will get pulled because of textures or props not getting proper permission for their use. This even more clarifies the need to have some way of easily Identifying non comercial use downloads after the fact.

I think it would help to further define commercial use, as well. For instance, IMHO using it for an image which is subsequently sold should be ok, reselling the item should not.

Are you only doing glossy? I prefer matte because glossy looks, to me, like photos taken of an art piece. Matte has the appearance of a fine art print. Also, I'd like to know the brand of paper as well as the weight. Are the sizes given the actual print area or the paper size? Most printers have to have a margin so the print size will be smaller. Are all materials being used of archival quality? What printer is being used? Thanks, Cris

I'd like to know what the pricing is and is the split the same...50/50...can I purchase my own and just pay 50 and not have to pay myself the other 50?

I think this is a splendid idea and venture! I would liketo know the printer/paper/ink specs as well!

Dye-sub?

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I'm interested. Will this also be open to prints of photos and traditional art? I ask because the sister sometimes has prints made of her oils/graphite and on occasion, photos. www.annnsartgallery.com

What about signed, "limited edition" prints? I've read elsewhere that signed prints are much easier to sell. I'd suggest that part of the added premium of "limited" prints be used to ship the print to the artist to sign/number then forward to the buyer. Of course, the artist would have to keep careful records to maintain the integrity of the edition.

Cris - I'm getting the information from the printers. Should have it soon. Pricing and merchant/artist info will be available to the community on July 1st. Limited Edition is something we are thinking of adding down the road. Clint

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Keep in mind that limited edition prints must then be that - limited. With real prints, the printing media is destroyed - the films, etc. When we did a jacket for the character artists in my division at Disney a few years back, the art was created digitally. The file was wiped clean to insure it was limited. I don't think you have to do that, but you have to insure that a customer feels they truly have x out of however many were printed and that they have something unique. Sometimes the signature alone does this. Sometimes the grade of paper. It has to be well thought out. Actually, Pablo, I've heard from friends who do this, that open inexpensive prints do better. Limited editions do well for well-known artists whose works are sought after. I would also be cautious because when I see people on the forums complaining that they can't buy a model, I don't know how much money they would have to buy a print, much less a limited edition print which are invariable three to ten times more expensive. I have good friends who have their limited runs still sitting for lack of sales and these are extremely good artists. It will also depend on the type of paper and inks used. I am sure Renderosity is trying to get premium materials. You can't make limited edition runs from Kinko Midnight Specials. :) It's a venture and when you try to sell it becomes an ad-venture. :) Thanks, Clint. The more info the better for people. Until that first print, we're buying sight unseen. :) Cris

Cris - Thanks very much for your input! I've seen the prints myself and was very impressed. They look fantastic. :) I'll be purchasing some for my home. Clint

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Cris - good input. FYI, the source of my info came from a SciFi and Fantasy Convention board. In addition to the points you mention, the "audience" probably plays a big part in demand for limited prints. They evidently prefer the limited prints...but then, it doesn't seem that they're selling them at the 3 - 10 multiple you mentioned either. Also the "audience" here may grow if artists drive people here to buy their prints so I wouldn't limit the potential buyers to ONLY the forum-goers here. I only mentioned limited prints as another option that may generate sales without added cost to the artist (other than time) and R'osity.

Oh, the audience won't be limited. I have every intention of making them available through the magazine.

sounds good Micheleh but the only place I see the magazine mentioned is here on the site. No ads or publicity anywhere else that I've been, so the audience may be limited anyway, I hope not. Rob

Yeah, I don't see the magazine sold or mentioned anywhere but here so your mag audience would appear to be a subset of the same folks that you already have as active members. Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, I was thinking that artists would send folks here from their personal websites to buy prints.

That's a good idea, too. Plus, we have never intended to limit the magazine to just the site.

Did this start yet? can you give us a link to the guidelines? Thanks!

Sure did..Here are the links. Digital Art Print Submission Guidelines Digital Art Prints Upload Page Digital Art Prints in the MarketPlace Clint

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Gave you me some info on the Glossy Mini Print (OFFSET LITHO) $5 Fine Art Print (OFFSET LITHO) $15 being sold.....I can't find any information about these in the Submission Guidelines

Those are pre printed and ready to ship. They arent being printed when ordered. They are 12"x12". Clint

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well, thanks Clint, but what I wanted to know is how does a person submit for those and put them in the store? As I said before, I didn't see anything about it in the guidelines page or the upload page....if I upload an image, how do I choose that this is the format I want it sold as...and the price? It's not listed....one was 12 x 12 and another was, OH< Nevermind, I went to find out what the size of the other one was, and I see both of them have been removed....what's up with that?

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I've read that page twice Spike and it says nothing about OFFSET LITHOs that are 12 x 12 and can sell for as little as $15

The offset lithos have been removed from the MarketPlace. Those have been in there a while and were hard goods shipped out of our office. We will not be offering this anymore. Audre is the artist. She has uploaded replacement images that will use the Digital Art Print guidelines. I will be releasing her replacement uploads over the next several days.

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