Ok, so I just a new image, only my second since May, after a lot of posts over the winter. I said so in the forum, with a link to my pic. I get two friendly and useful comments, then this: "Nipples could never, ever do that. The horse is one dimentional. her eyes are looking wrong. texture on the horse, her hair, and, her boots is really bad. the background looks just like what it is...a picture. and, it is pixolated. it's not nice to spam the forums with a falsehood. i've been a member a long, long time. you werent gone...imho..no, not humble opinion. oh, and, btw....my rating is based upon merit. not the fact that you were underhanded in getting viewers." I'm not sure if it's a case of raging hormones, or what. Maybe this person was offended in some way by what seemed to me a light-hearted, kind of cartoony image. Maybe I violated 'Rosity protocol in some way, without meaning to. Anybody have a clue what's going on here?

"just posted a new image," I meant to say. Sorry.

I have no clue... is this a comment on the image? Is this something written in the thread?

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On the image--here's the link

some people just dont have anything better to do. Everybody has learned to steer clear of them in real life, so they now rant over forums on the internet. We have a couple of people like that here, you just have to learn who they are and learn not to take their comments seriously. I believe strongly in critical appraisal and constructive criticism, it can only improve you as an artist, but that wasnt very constructive or put in a very professional way. For someone who has been here a long, long time you think they would tell you what was wrong and encourage you, not bash yor work. The funny hing is that the people who seem to offer he most scathing reviews usually arent all that talented themselves. Dont give an image a 10 if it doesnt deserve one, but for the sake of art in itself dont totally trash someone for trying. I dont know which post or gallery image yu are referring to, but I'm sure it didnt warrant that behavior and I hope you dont take it as representing the communities views as a whole.

Thanks, darkphoenix. My past experience here has been amazingly positive, I guess--this just shocked me a little. The pic is just a fluffy little cheezecake thing, but still...

Well said, Darkphoenix. In my personal opinion, people who can't at the very least be civil when expressing their opinions ought not to be attended until they can learm to do so. I am a bit puzzled at the criticism of the horse... it is, after all, a rocking horse... and clearly extended in two dimensions... ;) Silly as ever, -Strange

One thing... by "haven't posted here", I assume you mean in the forums? Because the date stamp on all your pictures show you've at least been around here for a while.

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orphea, I like the image! You did a nice job on it :)

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Valandar--I hadn't posted in the gallery for a while. Except for one image. I posted a ton of stuff over the winter, then I hadda quit for a while. Like I said. Stangechilde--yeah, that one-dimensional rocking horse cracked me up. Yikes. Thanks pokeydots!

Theres probably more to this whole thing.

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I was typing my response. My connection died. I restarted the computer and there were 5 new replies. Man! That's service. The only thing I have to add that hasn't been said is: There will always be some who like what you do and some who don't. And there will always be some way to make it better. Explore to your heart's content, learn as you go, and ignore the friggin' idiots. I loved the picture myself.

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Thanks, Bobasaur!

The thing that kills me is the critic used "big words" and couldn't even spell right. I gave your image a "10," partly based on the image quality, and partly to help out-balance the "1" you already had. In otherwords I liked your image.

You created an excellent image that is different from the more common and popular types that consistently get lots of viewings and comments. You are to be commended for your personal expression, originality and humour. Keep it up and help provide some quality variety here at R'osity!

Thanks Ron. I appreciate all the support!

Orphea, you had fun doing the image an it shows like I said in my comment. Sorry if I gave a little more info than necessary but I thought a little humour was needed. I enjoyed it.

Orphea, I gave you a 10 becuase I love your image and to help off set the "1" you unfairly received. Your picture is lively and bright. I looked Mr."1"'s gallery. His images are dark and serious. Maybe he does not like bright and joyious images? But, all I know is that I love it.

Ignore it, I'm sure it was the wine.

I like it, but I wouldn't have known you were going for cheesy had I not read the comments first though. LOL I remember some of your other stuff, keep up the good work and don't let anyone get you down. :o)

I don't post to galleries, because I can't stand to see my work once its done. I'm more critical about my work than anyone. I therefore have a lot of respect for those artists that DO post and open themselves up for abuse or subjective comments- some of them self-serving. A sense of humour is also important. Clearly some people just don't have one. I found that image campy and it made me smile. That means, it broke through the barriers. As for technique, I rarely make comments, unless I can see what the artist wanted to do and used the wrong tool. It's not how I would want to see the work, it's more how the artist saw it that's important to me. Move on. This one's done. Go to the next image and give yourself to it. That's what we do. Good luck. I hope to see more of your work. Q

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I like your pic. Very expressive and colorful. Fits right in to the cheesecake genre. Don't let the negative/pompous comments discourage you. Unfortunately, people like that exist in every facet of life. Just try to realize that a person who is secure in him/herself will try to encourage others, not discourage them with negativity. Keep up the great work!

Okay.....Here's what I think. There are 80,000 renderosity members. Many of the old faces are no longer here. I followed the link on your "Hi, I'm back" thread. I felt that you used a shabby method of getting "hits" on your picture. I thought your picture was pixolated. I did not realize that you meant your image as "humorous". Perhaps, I did not see the humor because I was angry for being tricked into viewing it in the first place. There are 80,000 members of this site. If everyone went about getting views by tricking folks in the forums, folks most likely would begin to avoid the forums....and, think of the bandwidth!!! I removed my comment. However, the horse IS one dimensional...and, I've been a female my whole life....I don't think nipples can really do that. And, there is a LOT of pixellation....especially around her arm. Her ass was nice, though. I guess I should have erred on the side of caution and given you a 3 for the decent looking butt.

There will always be critics in life, no matter the situation and you should never let them get to you... Take things w/the attitude - You win some, you lose some. If you enjoy it and it makes you happy, screw what anyone else has to say negatively. Humans are opinion driven individuals... glad I'm not one hehehe. If someone says something that isn't to your liking, then by all means, please take it with a grain of salt, c'est la vie, mon ami. That's life. Just grin and bear it. Now... I dunno personally, but I think nipples can do that. I uhh haven't done any research yanno, but uh yea. :) You enjoyed making the image and it is pleasing to you, right ? Then THAT is what matters, so just smile and be happy and junk :) One man's trash is another man's treasure... By no means am I calling your work trash! Just wanted to clarify. But remember what is pleasing to one's eye may not be pleasing to another. clears throat and gets off soapbox Hehehe :)

First, big thanks to all who've expressed your support. It means a lot to me. To Poppi: I can't imagine what it is in your psyche that prompted your nasty little tirade--the suggestion that I somehow "tricked" you into viewing my image seems, frankly, a little paranoid. Your negative response to the campy light-heartedness of the image doesnt surprise me, in retrospect: people who have trouble sorting out layers of meaning tend to dislike and distrust jokes. As to your critique of the image: 1.Sure, the nipples are a bit exaggerated; I'm not going for absolute photo-realism here. Why do you assume that I am? 2.I don't presume to understand your intellectual process, but I think you mean to say that the horse looks TWO dimensional. 3.At what resolution are you viewing? I work at a relatively low-res 832x624, and the only pixelation I notice is around my signature. It's evidently a by-product of Photoshop's "bevel/emboss" filter. I should've caught it, but I guess my eye wasn't really focused on the lower right corner of the image. Go figure. You are living proof that one can be a long-time member here and still not have learned the first thing about internet civility. All I can say in response is, boy, am I glad I don't have to live in your extremely negative headspace! And hey, maybe next time we'll chat about YOUR work. Now I'll take the kind advice offered by many who've responded here, and put this business behind me. Flame on if you want, Poppi. Whatever floats your sad little boat.

welcome to the Gallery world.....alot of people quit posting their images over there because of posts like this...I did...I got tired of merciless posts that couldn't find 1 thing nice to say along with the harsh criticism.....

The point is: it's really annoying to post a "Hi, I'm back!" message in the Poser forum. You're back eh? Wow, great! If everyone wrote a Hi, I'm back thread to plug their images, there wouldn't be a site. In my opinion, if you use these tactics to plug images, you open yourself up to nitpicking and unfair responses. I would suggest that if you cannot see this point, you may have a problem with extreme self-centeredness -WTB

WTB: If you find the subject header annoying, why bother reading the post? Is it a breach of established 'Rosity protocol to invite forum readers to view a new image? Are you one of the moderators--someone who understands and can enforce the finer elements of that protocol? Or are you just another angry little control freak who likes to tell other people what to do?

WTB- That's a smoke screen. It seems to me that if that was really her point: 1. She would have trashed the practice not the image. 2. She would have left the comment on the thread, not the gallery. 3. She wouldn't have wasted her time even more by commenting, in fact she wouldn't have hit the link at all. She trained by Pavlov. See a link and hit it without thinking. Naw. Smoke screen. And a bad one. Q

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Geez, just stop the bickering already. Nothing is going to be solved, no one is going to be happy w/the results, so let it be.

Quixote makes valid points About pavlovian thread-reading: I clicked on the thread because when I see "I'm Back" I'm curious who, exactly, is back. Since I've never heard of Orphea, I was curious if it was someone who had changed their name. I look forward to the day when the Poser forum, and it's top four pages, is filled with "Come see my new image!" and valid Poser related topics are nowhere to be found. Typically "I'm Back" would go into OT or Virtual Tavern. "Come See my image" is self-centered, implying that somehow the poster is special, and deserves to side-step the gallery/thumbnail process above all others. Surely Orphea can see the problems of everyone getting equal time in headlines in the Poser forum? If not, then again I say "Self-Centered". I am not a moderator, just an interested Party with an opinion. Calling me an Angry Control Freak is hypocritical, since you're implying control against my opinions and their validity in a forum I frequent. -WTB

From another day at the office. Thanks WTB...I am glad that someone understands why the thread was aggravating. Orphea....I did not like your picture. And, I said as much. Get over it. You ran this risk when you used your ruse to get hits, AND, enabled comments. First of all....this should have been taken up with me in private, before you posted this thread this am. I would not have even seen this thread, except for a couple of folks that I consider friends alerting me to it. I'm not sure if it's a case of raging hormones, or what and, then, this: All I can say in response is, boy, am I glad I don't have to live in your extremely negative headspace! Are personal attacks, as I see it. Why....because I posted what to me was an honest comment on your picture. I did not like it. That is my right. I looked at it another time. I STILL do not like it. Had I been cruising the gallery, i would have ignored it. Since I was FORCED to view it....I commented. 'nuff said? If you don't like my work....FINE. At least if you go to my gallery it is by choice. And, humor is not lost on me. I think Legume's stuff is downright funny....so is Radart's/Dragon Walk's...If you made some smile...good. Don't forget....we all have our own unique tastes. I saw nothing funny about a cheesecake girl with really extended nipples riding what looked like a paper cut out horse. Some did. Lighten up. Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!

sigh I am so tired of people on the internet trying to tell other people how to do everything. Like self proclaimed little cops running around berating people for doing something different than what THEY like. Stop watching what everyone else is doing. If you don't like something, shut up and go look somewhere else. The only time you need to be concerned is if something is illegal. If it's not illegal, don't bitch about it. And for heaven's sake, if you can't say something nice or constructive about someone's artwork, DON'T LEAVE A COMMENT. No one likes rude comments and attitude on their images and no one deserves them either.

"Since I was FORCED to view it....I commented. 'nuff said?" Now that's just poppicock. Q

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No...I ended up there because I clicked on a link in the forum.....once there...I did not like the picture. and i said so. and, i gave the reasons i didn't like it. and, i still don't like it. nor, will i like it tomorrow, next week, or, even next year. perhaps, the creator of this picture did not want any honest comments, to begin with. perhaps, the comment button was enabled, but only for those who would sugar coat their remarks. well, they won't learn that way. not all comments on my own gallery have been gushing praises. and, guess what???? after i got over my hurt feelings, i went back, took the suggestions...and, kept them in mind for future renders. just to post this thread...in my opinion....was not the correct way to go about this. this person set out to publically humiliate me for deigning to post an honest comment on his/her picture. and, for those of you who gave 10's to balance off the one i gave...guess what...i pulled my comment...so, now, orphea is most likely pulling a perfect 10 on that image. who among you REALLY thinks...with all the awesome stuff in the gallery...hours and hours of postwork on perfectly posed beautiful renders....??? that, in my opinion does a disservice to all who have earned their 10s. the likes of picky, and rio, lady jaiven, blackhearted, and so very many others, here.

I took the time to check the dates on your posts.....You posted on June 20th....and then, this one on the 25th. So, you were gone for a full five days? Hello....before that your last post was in May. I'm not stupid. If others want to believe that you were being earnest in your thread....Hi...y'all i'm back.....they sure can. But, you have to leave to return. wandering off shaking head...."what a piece of work"... Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!

(Holding up "10" card for score in Hypocrisy event) I want you all to imagine, immediately, every single poster to the gallery starting a thread in the Poser forum saying "Hey I've got a brand new image! wheeee!!!" Got the mental image? If you do, you're seeing the following: 60 pages per day of headlines saying "Hey I've got...etc" I challenge you to find anything USEFUL among those 60 pages. Do you see the problem now??? Good, I knew you could do it and I'm proud. -WTB

giggle at WTB ;*)

What gets me most, poppi - is why the hell is it important in any way whether or not nipples can really do that? Huh?? Who gives a rats ass? The nipples are cute, this is classic cheesecake, no-one is going to say about Vargas or Elvgren, 'Hey, tits don't do that!' or similar. That's what's known as missing the point. I mean, wow.... pick on something relevant if you have to pick at all. I think the image is fun. It succeeds in what it set out to do. :] FishNose

WTB- You make a good point. But why piggyback it on this thread? If I understand correctly, since this frustrates, we should trash the images that the links refer to? Makes no sense. Why isolate one case? Why not start a new thread and bring this, in a general sense to the attention of all as a valid concern. Why personnalise it this way? That's what I think is wrong with your argument. It's not serious because of the context. Something to consider. Regards, Q

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Well, I'm staying out of image commentary. I neither like nor dislike the image, but I AM fond of the nipples to be honest. Nipples can look like that when they are plump with arousal and/or pregnancy...it really depends on the type of nips you have in the first place. I don't condone trashing images, not really, but I see Poppi's points clearly. Why isolate one case? Because the author of this thread chose to make it a crusade by starting a thread of her own. Plus, I'm terribly bad at minding my own business. -WTB

You know, ::hiding in the corner afraid to get flamed::, I have been reading and posting random messages for Curious Labs over the past 2 years...and I see links to images in the gallery that people want you to check out in the forums all the time...I don't have a lot of time to look through the galleries but always scan the forums to watch for service issues (I am the CS person here) and see many images through here...so I don't understand what orphea did was so wrong or why this is all of a sudden a big deal? The one thing I do know...this forum can turn negative really quick. :) Can't we all just make cool Poser art and be happy? (Sorry, "can't we all just get along" was a crossword clue in my morning crossword puzzle today :).)

Starlet: Please refer to entry number 37 in this thread. -WTB

okay....now....a quick question. Nipples become engorged, like that during arousal. At least from what i have learned being a female. TOS states...this...when dealing with gallery images.... Posting unacceptable images : No Rape. No Torture. No Sexual acts. No Physical arousal. No Genital contact with ANY object, other than sitting or clothing. No depictions of young humanoid characters in erotic, seductive, provocative poses or context. I am not the gallery police. However, I objected to her arousal, while "riding" a horse. Not only was she aroused....yes...that's how we females show it....she was, imho...no, not humble...so aroused as to distort her anatomy. btw....all your pictures are pretty much full tilt boogey aroused beyond humanly possible. Now, I never raised an issue on this before.....however, due to your duplicitous behaviour involved in my viewing of this image in the first place....AND, your trying to humiliate me in the public forum....AND....your personal attacks about "raging hormones" and negative headspace.... geeze, for someone who has only been here about 3 months you certainly are sure of yourself. i stand by what i said, originally. i do not like this picture. i do not like seeing arousal in the galleries, much less....arousal in a very distorted form...yeah, hon...turn me on....my nipples will turn into plastic baby bottle looking thingeys for you...oh, what a man!!! i don't like female genitalia that look like huge hungry clams, either...soooo scarey. and, if i posted a pic to gallery of a dude with a massive distorted hard-on....doncha know...it would be pulled for tos violations. what is good for the gander should also be good for the goose. orphea...you started this. because i posted my true feelings on your gallery post. you did not im me that you had a problem with my comments....you did not im me that this thread was even in the forum. you just went about your merry way doing what you could to discredit my opinion. and, you got personal about it. i do not like your picture. i think it is badly done, and, yes, i think that it violates the tos. i did not ask an admin to remove it. i did nothing to you except voice my opinion. you chose to disagree with me...but, also chose to attack me for my honesty. get over it. in my book, honor counts ALOT. Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!

Jeeeezz Poppi.... You think you could post maybe ONE MORE comment saying the same thing over and over?? We got it..you didn't like it, you'll never like it, and your children and grandchildren won't ever like it....:) I thought it was VERY reminicent if Elvgren...a genre that I really like, so I saw it from a diffrent angle. That said, I suppose if people feel "tricked" into looking at unwanted images by posts here, then that's not so cool either, and they need to come up with some guidelines about it, so we know what's acceptable. Beav

Poppi, your argument doesn't hold water. You might as well blame the Founders of our Country, our legislators, the Constitution, et al for giving us freedom. There's an old saying "with freedom comes responsibility." When someone asks for a comment, they're not giving you a license to be crude, rude, or socially unacceptable. Part of being an adult is to accept some responsibility and show others some respect.. yes and expect to get it in return. If you don't like this type of thread, then don't read it. If you have some suggestions for Constructive Criticism, then post in a diplomatic fashion. What you did was Trolling. That's not a nice word here. WTB: If you don't like it, don't read it. Don't try to bully someone into your way of thinking. It won't work.

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Guys, can you get your lingo straight? Trolling is hunting. Trolls in the classical literature have many good points. They never tell a lie. They always keep their word. They easily see through deception. They have the whitest laundry in the nine known worlds. They have families and culture and prefer bacon to human for breakfast. On the negative side, they get excessively angry if someone tries to deceive them, steal from them, or otherwise trespass. If you had a lineup of the average Viking, the average Troll and the average Norse God... the Troll would almost certainly be the most honorable one in the bunch. Trawling is bottom-fishing. Trawlers are destructive. They trash anything and everything in their way. They do not discriminate or analyse, but drag everything into their nets. In search for a few choice morsels they will make a wasteland of what used to be a productive seabed. And they never clean up anything. Trawling is going through the galleries indiscriminately, leaving rubbish behind. Trolls have better things to do, like listen to their self-playing harps. Trawling, not trolling. Got it? Carolly

but before that it had been a month or so--a long-ish absence after a very busy winter here.... You simply did not post for about 3 weeks....so, you weren't gone...I don't buy this. An outright lie. I most certainly did. And in no uncertain terms. Did you bother to IM me back? You immed me at 10:26 at night, and posted this thread at about 2:30. I did answer your im...but, only after i woke up....are you so fricken arrogant to assume that i should have stayed awake in anticipation of an im from you???? you should have at least waited until it was morning before you blasted me in the forum. As for WTB: What this place needs is more self-aggrandizing jerkwads making up rules, and trying to bully the rest of us into behaving the way you think we should behave. Isn't this a fairly accurate description of yourself? You are trying to bully folks as to how they should comment on your gallery. seems like a bit of the pot calling the kettle, here.

Carolly, Here is a quote from TOS: "Members/Users will not use this community for; "...Destructive commentary/communications made with the intent to disrupt or attack (Trolling)." Do you see the word Trolling?! *** Poppi & WTB: I fail to see why you're wasting so much emotional energy on this entire subject.

Ron, ok, so they spelled Trawling incorrectly in the TOS. g Carolly is actually correct in her definitions. Something I've been saying for ages. What we have in the galleries and forums isn't trolls, it's trawlers. It's just too much of a bother most times to try to re-educate people, especially online. Can't begin to tell you how many times I've gone "AAARRRGGGGHHHH" when I see someone use "then" when they mean "than" or "impact" when they mean "affect" or even when they confuse "affect" with "effect" around here. Drives me bonkers. And now they're talking about removing the analogy section from the SAT's???? oops...sorry, wandered of on a tangent on that last sentence. So, back to the point. They might CALL it trolling, but what they're doing really IS trawling. KateTheKlarifier

Ron, you've been in this thread as long as I have. And "emotional energy" hasn't been spent at all. I don't know how much trouble you take in posting text and forming opinions that you believe in, but for me it requires very little expenditure of energy/emotional investment. I certainly understand that some people, however, really sweat forming an opinion and sticking to it.

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This is one of the lamest complaints I've seen here. Give me a break; there's nothing wrong with people asking you to check out their image. We do it all the time and it doesn't get out of hand. (#37) Let's not be so arrogant here, okay? You want pixelation and weird nipples? Click the link. He who lives by the nit, dies by the nit.

First of all, Hiram. I am, and always have been arrogant. But, i am fair, and honourable. You talk as if you have been here a long, long time. You first posted in February. So you give ME a break. Through this whole thread, something was nagging at my brain....nope...not feed me. Most of the folks who replied to orphea are so new that they would not remember this. i barely remembered it, because, i was getting ready for my annual vacation to the keys, and, then, moving into my new condo. today, it clicked. i remembered and did a little research on your pal orphea... here's what i came up with.... first post by to this forum by orphea on 2/25 of this year....Titled..."Newbie says 'hi'. This had a link to his gallery. 2/26...a "thank you" and...another link to his gallery. 2/27...yup...yet, ANOTHER link to his gallery. 3/3....a post saying, in essence, "I've had my first TROLL...i must have arrived". and, on this same date....the thread.... "Have I been trolled"....IMPORTANT, HERE....THIS WAS DELETED BY JEFFH. here is a link to how he was "trolled" poor baby. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=148961&Start=1&Artist=orphea&ByArtist=Yes Now, Skiing is pretty respected around here...guess he took more offense than I did...and went to the mods. After this, good ol' orphea quit spamming the galleries for a while. Sadly, he could not resist the old temptation of quick hits. i did this research because so many r'osity newbies have read this thread. my reputation means alot to me. i have had my own business for 5 years. i try to be honourable, and fair when dealing with folks, irl, or on the web. deleting my comments in orphea's gallery was not honourable. i am going to comment and rate, yet another time. ron...just a side note....wow...you've been around here a long time. i never understood, before, why so many dislike you. but, in this thread....the light came on. oh, yeah, keep up the tutorials....you have a new audience, now. for a while, at least. and, hon...don't worry about my spelling...i have a master's degree in fine and applied art....i don't really have to spell much. Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!

Christ, you know I get really tired of your arrogant, troublesome attitude. You've done your best to be a pain in the ass for a little thing. You insult orphea, then you insult me. "ron...just a side note....wow...you've been around here a long time. i never understood, before, why so many dislike you. but, in this thread....the light came on." And I suppose your contributions to this thread will win friends and influence people. Just do us all a favor, and give it up. Go do something productive. You have a Master's Degree, and you haven't even mastered the fine art of capitalizing your sentences and using punctuation? Wow. *** "i did this research because so many r'osity newbies have read this thread. my reputation means alot to me. i have had my own business for 5 years. i try to be honourable, and fair when dealing with folks, irl, or on the web." You're doing your best to shoot yourself in the foot here.

a. I've been a R'osity member for about two years, maybe more, I just delurked in February. I switched usernames when I did this and I have the e-mails with Clint to back that up. b. Tenure here means about, oh, nothing. Your above comment to Ron shows that even you accept this. Even trolls (or trawlers, hauk ; ) ) can have longevity. (no I'm not calling you a troll, Ron. c. orphea is not my pal, I know nothing about him/her. I don't understand why you feel gypped by this, you apparently put a lot of stock in number of views. Why, I don't know, because we've all seen that all it takes is a nipple. This whole thing smells of sour grapes. You admit to arrogance as if it's a sort of point of pride. That's a real red flag for me. It is, in fact, a failing. Pomposity is not a substitute for valor or integrity. Or talent for that matter. This whole thread is about you getting attention for whining about a trivial fault on orphea's part. It does not warrant a tirade, witch hunt or vendetta of this magnitude. It does maybe warrant a polite message to the effect of: "Hey, you know I noticed that when you usually post, it's to ask people to go to your gallery. Some people here will feel like your trying to con them out of a minute of their time." You trolled a relative newbie for wanting to fit in and be recognized. Way to go. There's a reputation builder for you.

No...Hiram...it is not. It is about spamming the forums. it is about engaging in my right to post my comments to the gallery on an artist, if that is enabled. Pomposity is not a substitute for valor or integrity Hello, is this thread so old that you forget that your friend started it? I posted facts, last post to this thread. if you want to close your eyes to them....go for it buddy. just, please, try and remember to open them again for the mundane like crossing the street. your pal spammed...yeah, call me a troll, but, spam is spam...this forum for the first 4 images. the first person to plunk down a response that offended your dear pal was labelled, in a public forum, as a troll...this lead to yadda, yadda...and the thread was deleted. orphea, after this, quit his spamming ways...for a while. but, in his own words...."I'm back..."...oh and don't forget all the phony y'alls....folksy lil touch, there. Way to go. There's a reputation builder for you. I am good at what I do. that counts. that counts, but, mostly in the real world. this joint is not real. and, one of the reasons i dropped away, in march...wss cause...the site underwent some....changes...that i did not agree with. it is so sad for all you new people. most of the older, very talented members have moved on. this all happened while i wss in the keys. i know where they...mostly, went. now, i know what some of my friends who quit this site..yup...took their toys and ran off this playground, meant. folks like orphea diminish the capacity of our site as a whole. but, keep on crusading...maybe we can really get 80,000 members spamming each other whenever they post to gallery. this is what you and your pal want, yes?

Poppi, you do so much to diminish the capacity of this site. You have no understanding of how to get along with people. You persist when you're told to mind your manners. Why not just drop it? Or don't you have better things to do? Why not go back to the Keys and let that sun wash over you and bring a smile?

What I want to know is how you force someone to click a link.

• wanders off shaking head....

...... Kendra

This is a pet peeve of poppi's and orphea is not the first artist to draw fire for it. One time the person actually posted a link to their off-site store, which was obvious fron the URL, but she clicked anyway, then bitched about spam, which on that occasion it was. But that thread was brief and reason won out, she even helped the guy out a little. We all know this is an exagerrated complaint, let's just drop it. I think she's been quite eloquent in communicating what her issues are. See ya's. I'm all out of troll food.