I really love it how threads about poser 5 grow longer, and branch into other threads, the whole community in a state of near-panic - so I thought, well, lets add some oil into the fire (thats the translation from a german saying, but I think it translates into english, too)... I copied this quote from the curious lab website: "egi.sys AG is the parent company of Curious Labs, Inc. Movement in three dimensional (3D) virtual reality is the central issue at egi.sys AG located in the southern German University City Tingen" (end of quote) Just imagine, the german version of Poser 5 MIGHT be out for sale before the english one... ;-) Ok... I shut down my computer and go into hiding... Have fun, Hendrik