Actually with the discussions today on the whole P4 to P5 upgrade issue, I have begun to wonder about the use of the Poser "product" (which includes Pro Pack). I know the product is called "Pose-r" but the application also has animation capabilities, as well as finicky ties to Max, Cinema3D etc. I have seen so very little of this feature used by the community. It may be just that I am missing the links/postings, but I am sure that some users are doing amazing things with it. I know the perception of the product in many peoples minds is that it is a "toy" and not worthy of the attention of people who use "real" applications like 3DSMax, Softimage, Maya... But as users like Syyd Raven, Catherina Harders, and many others have shown, this little application can do incredible things. I am sure there are some out there who may have done similar incredible things with the built-in animation features... Anyone care to link?... (and before anyone retorts, "Why don't you show something" - I can only verbally explain how we have integrated Poser into our work environment). My company does visualizations for legal proceedings. We visually re-create actual events or create "hypothetical events" that are used in legal proceedings to show to judges, lawyers, and (very, very rarely, as there are some people out there who think because they saw something it must be real) to juries. These are created to be shown as examples, and not to be used as real evidence, of course)... We create these viz's CGI through a combination of 3D and live action as needed for the case. We mostly use 3DS Max and Maya, but we also use Poser for developing the animations. We use it either as a visual storyboard (still with text) or as an animatique - a rough draft of the animation cretaed in poser to act as a guide for creating it in Max or Maya. We usually only get involved in all of the lengthly pre-trial activity and usually for very big clients. Because what we do is covered by NDAs, I cannot show any actual work that we have created, but I wanted to at least provide an example of how the animation function is used.