Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: mobius effect

Raddar opened this issue on Jul 29, 2002 ยท 15 posts


Raddar posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 1:09 AM

Can someone please direct me to a place where I can find a tutorial on creating the mobius effect. I found 2 tutorials for it here under the poser tutorials page but neither of the links seem to work. Thanks


EricofSD posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 2:38 AM

The way I do it is to render the scene and then change to wire frame and take a screen shot. Put both in Photoshop as layers and erase your scene in the areas where you want the mobius to show.


EricofSD posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 2:52 AM

Attached Link: http://www.hotfreeware.com/2020/2020.htm

Like this. In Photoshop, open your screen shot of your 800x600 wire frame and open your rendered 800x600 image (or whatever resolution you use, just either keep them the same or resize in Photoshop so they are the same.) Then move the rendered image over the wire frame image and select the layer for the rendered image and the erase tool. If you want to see what's underneath the rendered image, you can set the transparency, strenght to less than 50 so that you can move the eraser tool around just right. Then set the rendered layer back to full strength for the final save. If you need a screen shot app, the best one I found is a free ware at this site.

EricofSD posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 3:02 AM

Or you can forget the eraser tool and just overlay the render to the screen shot and make the render layer transparent.

EricofSD posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 3:06 AM

Or you can select the body parts that you want to show in wire frame and the body parts you want to show in textured and take that screen shot then smooth out the layers. In the words of Ross on PBS, you're the artist. There's no such thing as a mistake, only happy accidents. Experiment and have fun.


EricofSD posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 3:22 AM

Or you can select the body parts that you want to show in wire frame and the body parts you want to show in textured and take that screen shot then smooth out the layers.

In the words of Ross on PBS, you're the artist. There's no such thing as a mistake, only happy accidents. Experiment and have fun.

Notice that the lower right arm is different from the upper right arm, and different from the left arm.

The way to do this is to select the body part, go to "Display"..."Element Style"... and select the display mode you want for that particular part. Then do your screen capture and what I said above.


EricofSD posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 3:30 AM

Or........... Ok, I'll stop now. Oh, you can shift the camera to two different positions (one slightly right of the other) and take your two renders then overlay them in Photoshop and change your channels separate out the RGB and overlay the images for that 3d effect with those glasses they sell in the movie theater. Oh, sorry, said I was going to stop.


hogwarden posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 4:10 AM

Er... There's a chance Radder is asking about a Mobious strip... That one sided object...?


EricofSD posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 4:39 AM

Hmmm, so how do we make the feet flow into the hands in a reverse mode without clothing so that the woman looks like a mobious strip?


hogwarden posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 7:05 AM

Ag! Brain hurts! Perhaps the long-awaited non-euclydian geometry plugin for Propack could help.


Jim Burton posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 9:33 AM

That (the strip) is also the only mobius I'm aware of. I think you could do it with a modified CR2 in Poser: Parent/Child: hip/abdomen/chest/neck/head/hip To do it properly you should have an 180 degree twist, though! ;-)


Lyrra posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 3:14 PM

the mobius effect, as mentioned in the tutorials that were referred too, is exactly as described above by Eric. It is named after an artist here called 'Mobius'. Haven't seen him around for a while though. And there's a mobius strip and klein bottle over at 3Dcafe (I think)



KenS posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 4:59 PM

to set the record straight, Mobius did not come up with this render style/technique, even though a few unknowing persons credited it to him as being the first, a bryce artist by the name of Tim Wise perfected this technique years before Mobius created his first image using this style. Sorry for jumping in here, but credit should be given to the rightful creator of this style, not to someone who copied it. Ken


Lyrra posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 6:54 PM

Ah. Thank you Ken :) I type corrected



bikermouse posted Mon, 29 July 2002 at 11:18 PM

Ah yes, thank you Lyrra. I got the klein bottle and mobius strip confused on another thread.