Well, I've finally managed to get the spline modeler to work with me after about three years of mediocre vertex pipe modeling, and am trying to go for that sort of over-detailed SF type stuff that people seem to go for in my genre, hopefully so that I can start selling my stuff, or at least getting people to take it for free. Somehow, I think I'm still missing something. Does anyone have any suggestions? Other than things about it looking like a pen cap? I've heard that one already. Thanks in advance.