I read cake1's tutorial on how to put a realistic face onto a poser model. I think the URL is www.cakeone.com in the tutorials section (obviously ;P) It is the only tutorial up at the moment (I hope cake1 doesn't get upset that i'm posting the page) -- I'm just trying to find the wireframe model of Victoria file so that I can texture vickys face. In the turtorial cake1 mentions that the wireframe model can be downloaded at renderosity, but I can't find it. Any info on where to get the file would be appreciated. HORNO