I remember when I first got Poser4, it had just came out. I spend long nights pouring over the manual. And coming to the Poser Forum to ask stupid questions. Since it seems that Poser5 is much more advanced, maybe a slow learner like myself could get the manual early? I see more long nights, but it's a price I will gladly pay. As for paying, my wife doesn't realize it yet but I just got my birthday present a few months early because I just ordered Poser5 upgrade. Thanks CL and everyone involved. Bill