I know there is a new (relatively speaking) patch for Bryce and have yet to go get it. What will I get for the download G? I think I understood there are some new volumetric settings--beyond that? I keep hearing of major complaints from folks here about Bryce but it is my absolutely favorite graphic app. I think you have to work with it enough to start to think 'Bryce like' and I admit that sometimes its a wee bit frustrating (I have yet to learn the deep material lab--but plan to work with it soon). Still, I am always amazed to find what I can do with it--and I'm pretty much a novice. Without Bryce I could never have done my bass underwater pic which is by far the best think I've ever done. I admit I get seduced sometimes by Poser, but Bryce is still my favorite and the one I just sit down and play with to get started. Just thought I'd mention my love affair with Bryce. I bought it because I saw someone do a 3D fractal with it back last Spring and I was into fractals at the time--and its been 'downhill' ever since -VBG. Diane B