Since Spike specifically asked me to start a rant of my own, rather than pre-empting someone elses as I'm wont to do... snicker here it is, as requested. Actually, it's not a rant - it's a legetimate question that was brought up by me and a few others in the previous thread. "Artists grant permission to Renderosity for the use of submitted images for an undetermined period of time. The Artist will remain the intellectual property holder of his/her work. " That's been on most contests here at the site for quite some time. I first noticed it in the contest fpor the first magazine issue cover. "Artists grant permission to Renderosity for the use of submitted images for an undetermined period of time... " Er... No. I. Don't. That's a main reason why I don't submit images or much else to contests here. When work is submitted, the permissions section needs to state specifics: What rights are being given away, What useage is Renderosity going to make of the artwork, What and how many times can they use it, How long will they retain usage rights, and for what purposes? Spell it out. If it differs from contest to contest, spell it out each time: just like a contract, because that's what it is. When I submit freelance work to a client, my contract states specifically what I'm selling, what uses it can be put to, where and when it can be reprinted and for what purposes, and wether they're retaining single printing, multiple use, or single use with royalties rights. Or... I don't sign it. No freelancer worth the name would either. Effectively, by the wording of that clause, renderosity can archive the image - legally - repost it a year from now, print it in the magazine, use it in ads and promotions, and do so for as long as the site stays in business. Possibly longer, as in: "for the use of submitted images for an undetermined period of time." Think it through. If you wonder why contest and other submisions are low at times, and why few or none of the members here that work professionally in the graphics field enter them that's why. Because no pro would sign a contract with that provision in it. And few amateurs who think it through would. By theway Spike - I'm NOT real certain what the point is of making a new thread on this. The point was raised, asked, and brought to your attention. You're easily capable of bringing it to Tammy. Yim's and Audre's attention... all a thread like this does is throw it out to the membership and start a potential forum brawl. It just flat doesn't take a forum thread, 14 moderators forum arguments, a consensus vote by Parliment, and 2writ from God to make a simple policy decision, or to make a contract interpretation. All it takes is looking at something, realising it might be a valid concern, and making a decision, sometimes... This is a contract and copyright issue dealing with how Renderosity views the content rights of it's members on submitted artwork. Shouldn't take a major forum discussion to decide to write a workable contract for contest submissions.

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