After spend a good part of the day going over my checkbook and my bills, and several other drains on the greenstuff, I came to the chilling conclusion that it will be after the first of the new year before I can up grade to P5. At first I was seriously depressed till I started thinking back to the orginal poser. I know that there are a few of us who still remember the orginal P1. Damn, I thought it was hot stuff then. And the Poser 2! Anyway, what I am trying to say is that I am going to be contently plodding along with P4 till I can afford to get P5. Like an old classic car, P4 still has plenty of power for me... Of course I could get lucky and get P5 for Christmas, but then I haven't been all that good this year anyway...