Thanks WW - I will read through it now -

Um very interesting reading - and certainly something others should read before buying Poser 5... The intersting thing is from that EULA - Curious Labs could remove your right to use their software even if you happen to tell someone you don't like it :) The thing is it appears a lot of EULA have a simular cause and however I haven't found one yet which states as Curious Labs has, "Company reserves the right to terminate this EULA at any time for any reason at Company's sole discretion." EXAMPLES OF OTHER EULA CLAUS: "5. TERMINATION The license will terminate automatically and the SOFTWARE unregistered if you fail to comply with any of the above terms and conditions. The license may be terminated by either party at any time and without notice." That is an example from another piece of software I have... I'm looking over this and it states that the license may be terminated by either part at any time - however they basically state before that that they will teminate the license if you break the rules. According to law it would be seen that this EULA is stating if you break their contract they will cancel the EULA agreement... "SHOULD YOU FAIL TO COMPLY WITH ANY OF THE ABOVE-MENTIONED YOUR USER'S RIGHTS WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY TERMINATED. THIS TERMINATION WILL BE IN ADDITION TO ANY CRIMINAL, CIVIL OR OTHER REMEDIES." Again another program states if you break their EULA you will not be able to use their product. According to law this would be seen just as it says, if you break their EULA it will end your EULA agreement and they will sue your ass :) Here is a quote I think is just prefect for this: "Software manufacturers give the appearance of a sale (you buy it in a standard retail store, you pay sales tax, etc.), but after they have your money they spring this 'agreement' on you and suddenly it's a lease. Ladies and gentlemen, this is known as fraud," At least Curious Labs hasn't surprised us all with this - we all have access to the EULA in their manual, and we all have the choice from that to make an intelligent choice on our own... however, I would really like to know if the EULA that you see after installing Poser 5 is different... I wouldn't be that surprised if it is... because what I have found out is that a company can have a EULA for their manual, and one for their Software... I would post the EULA here - however according to their EULA they would sue my ass for posting information about their main to any third-party... Then again - there is a claus in copyright that states you can legally post 10% of a manual for educational purposes... um - I'm going to go count the words and see if it is over 10% :) And it is educational - it will be a education in how to pay CLOSE attention to End-User License Agreements... WiNC

I doubt what I copied was even 1% of the entire EULA. And disabling copying text from a PDF does not prevent someone from copying it manually. Personally I am against the concept of software licensing. If you buy a piece of software you should have the right to do whatever you want with it or transfer it to someone else if you choose to, as long as you don't actually violate copyright laws. (In other words, truly "like a book". Not in the hypocritical way CL uses it in their restrictive EULA) There is something called "fair use", which most EULA's just stomp on like it never existed.