Well Thanks to PhilC I have the .001 beta ready to go. The joint parameters are up to snuff, and only some tiny little problems. 1: Some positions will bulge the sleeves strangely, but just move it slightly and it goes away. 2: Extra materials in the cr2. I will have to strip theese out.They do get confusing. 3: I have morph targets for the bending of the sleeves, But I want to see if I can do better. 4: My ISP is migrating, so I have to make sure I get the file on the new server, or have someone else host it. Believe it or not, it is only a 700k zipped file. (Does not include textures, but does include the template, obj, cr2 (both MAC and PC)) Onwards and upwards Mr Smith, I think I see light... James