I'm so fustrated with P5 right now. Once the left forearm box pops up, forget it. Even saving your work is hopeless, as the pz3 loads up with the left forearm box bug or is stuck in an infinite render loop. Here's the routine... Select "render". "Left forearm" box and "loading textures" box pop up. Pretty much locked here. Followed by lots of interface glitches as you try to regain contol. You can sometimes still exit and change rooms. Also a "check mark" is by render options in the pull down menu?! What's strange, is I can work for hours without a prob and then sometimes (like tonight) crash constantly. It seems to happen more frequently after applying light settings. On happier another note, I'm absolutely in love with the new features of P5. I've had so much fun in the material room. Have you seen how well some of the the new materials look rendered with the P4 engine? Pretty amazing that they can get all that to work with the P4 renderer. Hats off to the gang at CL for such great work. My fingers are crossed that all this will work out at the patches arrive. OK I feel better now :) Oh yeah. I have an Alienware PC with AMD Athlon 1.4. Geforce 3. WinXP. latest drivers.