Well with some of the disappointment of P5, I've started to consider other platforms. I am going to turn my attention to more modeling and animation. I am wondering if any of you use lightwave and/or cinema4d. I see now that c4dxl v7 offers a immediate upgrade to v8... The packages are very close in price. I often hear LW referred to as almost an industry standard, but I also heard it tough to learn and slow on rendering. I ve read lots of good reviews for cinema: stable easy to use blah blah..... For the money which should it be? I want a modeler that's easy to use (not like strictly vertex modeling like old blender) I want particles and volumetrics, explosions, lights, video compositing.... you know...the stuff we all like. And I don't want to wait days for a single image render. Any thoughts?