Its 7:45am Sept. 30th.... Do you know where your P5 patches are? Actually I think CL will need to re-issue the cd's. With that many bugs, a 750 meg patch is going to take a while to download. Especially at 56k. Wonder if its possible if Poser users can slow down the internet downloading. Sort of like the butterfly in australia flapping its wings and changing the weather in new york. }=0P