Just fired this off the CL yech support. Now getting "Caught C exception access_violation trapped at 1b:0" after changing a bump map for a displacement map. was able to clear the error and go back to the pose room and it seemed to be ok till I attempted to select render options and i got the error again, I cleared that error. and attempted to render with the currebt settings p4 render engine using everything except anti-alias and ignore shader trees. it did the render and on a second pass anti-alias render which it did without error. I was also able to save the image and the pzz. I then attempted to re-select the render options and still got the same error as above. also on this system i was required to re-register and after resetting my preferences, and restaring the system. the parameter window, figure circle were still in the wrong place and set to active. This was after following the instructions with the updater and doing a re boot after the install. system specs OS win2K with SR3 1Ghz athelon thunderbird 1024 MB sdram pc133 Gforce2 400 MX video 2 40 gb hdd ata 66 7200 rpm (1 hdd is OS, the other is poser) followed a renderosity thread and turned down video HW acel one notch. video passes all daigs and has no problems in any other application