Hiya, I too am looking for constructive ideas.. ;) I have already emailed CL (twice after tonite), but was wondering if anyone else is having this problem. I'm running a P3-450, 384MB, 10GB HD, ATI Rage Fury 32MB on Win98SE - and haven't been able to run P5 once. I get the BSOD every time I try to start it up. No splash screen, nothing. I have tried installing Cacheman after some help from another list member, but no dice. I emailed CL immediately but they were obviously swamped so I waited to see if the patch would help. I installed the full patch tonite, but it still doesn't work. Is anyone else having these problems? I can run several other 3D apps (incl. P4 and LW) without incident. It seems as if P5 is trying to grab more resources than are available, but that's only a guess at this time. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Bonzai Gopher