Well I had to start somewhere. So after the elf ears I did more. And thanks to the tip on how to remove the unwanted stuff in the obj files. I got the targets from 1.4 megs to 266k. But there are a few of them. I'm hopeing that they will indeed work with PC since they just are type files. So all who were waiting for Victoria/Milli MTs you can use mine until the professionals start in. ;-) Enjoy! James