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One of the very rare rants that I post. I don't tend to do it often. Ko... if you're wondering what sparked the rant here: Take a minute to follow the link, and THEN read through the sample emails in this post. Actual emails sent to various freestuff providers that were sent to me that I've collected... A **small** sampling. I'd really hate to think that this kind of crap is representative of this "Comunity", but unfortunately, the number of mails people get blasting them for taking the time, effort, expense and trouble to give stuff away recieve tends to give that the lie. It makes be ashamed to be a vendor, because it lumps me with people like this by association. Pretty sad... if this is the spirit of community we have, then this "community" probably should die, along with the associated stores that feed it. Qoutes around community intentional. Any scarcasm dripping from the word also intended. ******************************************************************************************************************* Emails in italics, my commentary normal type. *"Hi, just thought I'd write to you about your [free] releases at Daz. I think they're a fucking joke. What the hell do you think you're going to achieve with this sort of bullshit? If you want to drive away vendors and hurt the marketplace then your doing a fucking good job. You might think it's all a joke but some of us have to make a living from selling poser goods, and this bullshit you've pulled with those packs hurts those of who rely on our income from Poser sales. Next time you decide to fuck with people's lives why don't you just buy a real gun and kill someone. It's fucking morons like you that give Poser a bad name. Sent by "anonymous".* If the marketplace is too fragile to survive freestuff, maybe it should get hurt. And if someone's too chickenshit to sign an email, why should anyone take them or their opinions seriously? *"Hello I thought I'd write to you to say thanks for taking the food from the mouths of my children with your selfish attitudes. So you think it's clever to give away stuff free that others have to work for days at just to earn enough to meet bills. Well it's fucking cunts like you that causes poverty and starvation. I hope you're proud of that. I have to beg money from my relatives just to live because I can't make enough sales and all because of bastards like you who think it's fucking funny. I hope you die of cancer or something. People like you should be exterminated for the scum you are. CuntKiller* Oh, now that's an origional nick. Ever think that maybe if you make something worth buying it might get sales? *"Hey ------- . Hows about you fuck right off out of the community. We don't need you or your free shit. The Renderosity store is there to give people the stuff they need for Poser not cunts who try to kill vendors by giving shit away. Anonymous "* Anonymous gets around a lot. The Renderosity store is there to give people the stuff they need for Poser, eh? Gee... color me a cynic - I thought it was there to earn money for Renderosity. Fucking bite me. *"Heya -----, just took a look through your catalogue. Some interesting stuff there. You do realise the damage your doing to vendors in the online stores by offering stuff like this free don't you? No, well maybe you should think about it. Some of us are trying to make a living doing this. We NEED the sales of our goods to pay bills and we work long hours to make things. Not all of us have the skills to churn stuff out like you do. So back off or fuck off and give those of us trying to live a break. Not all of us are rich fucks that we can just give stuff away. SickOfFreeStuff "* And FreeStuff is probably sick of you. If you're not earning a living at it, you might want to consider another line of work, instead of blaming freebie providers. ******************************************************************************************************************* I'll guarantee that if there'd been usernicks or names attached to the mails, instead of a large number of small people hiding behind anonymous and hotmail accounts, there'd be a who's who in this post. Gee, but that'd be embarrassing to the people who sent them? Too fucking bad. If you happen to read in these something you sent, and you're pissed off by that, then that's too fucking bad also. The really sad thing is that the type of chumpchange assholes who'd send mails like this'll probably respond to sending more nastygrams to freestuff providers, rather than having the balls to flame me here in the open using their renderosity nick. Don't blame the freebie providers - you want a target, here I am. Man. Have a nice life people. Anyone who wonders why merchants have a bad association around the community with a lot of people, guess what - you and I are getting splashed and painted with the same brush that's associated with people like this.

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• Monkeysmell

WTF! I pretty much agree with your comments Ironbear. Sounds like these folks don't have enough talent to 'compete' with freestuff. More time spent on developing it and less time whining and protesting would perhaps be a better investment for them.

At least one of these mails could get the sender convicted in a court for harassment and/or threat. The fact that the cowards use Hotmail or other "anonymous" means of communication does not mean that they can get away with it. Hotmail communication can be traced to the sender via the ISP. A police report filed will make both Hotmail/MSN and the ISP in question cooperative when it comes to tracing the offender via their log files. There is absolutely no reason for you or this community to accept harassment like this. Sadly enough, people think that the anonymity of the Internet makes it possible to get away with behaviour that they would never conduct in a real life situation. The fact is that the Internet is not anonymous at all. It's actually easier to trace an e-mail than a snail mail letter. Harassment and threat is a serious offense and should be dealt with accordingly.

God damn it these type of emails piss me off as well. Who the hell are these people? What gives them the right to send these emails? More importantly, what gives them the right to represent the community? What this/these moron(s) don't understand is that the freebies don't hurt the Marketplace sales but actually help them. When you first start playing with Poser you download as much free stuff as you can. But as you get better at using the program - you get more and more selective with what you download. From the free stuff you are naturally drawn to the Marketplace where you begin to purchase stuff selectively that you use to help realise your much expanding imagination and skill level. As for earning a living from solely selling Poser items - yeah right. Some of the best creators/vendors that I've spoken to only do this as a hobby to support their hobby. These emails sound like selfish, self important, self deluding bullshit to me. I'm just sorry that there are some really talented people out there coming under attack by what are probably no-talent hacks. People like Questor are paying the price.

:(( Freestuff is an enhancement to retail items, not a detriment. It raises the bar and is a challenge to produce better quality items for sale, which ideally benefits the entire community. I hope these are isolated instances and not the norm. Anyone that thinks that freestuff is given by those with "selfish attitudes" had better do some serious soul searching.

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Wow. That is brutal.

Seriously, I can't really understand the logic. Anyone in business has to know that the only way you sell anything is to provide someone with a value for your asking price that makes it attractive. You do that by being better in some way than what is out there including what is cheaper and what is free.

What people do with their time is their own business; that is the essence of a free market and a free economy. If someone wants to spend however many hours they need to to make a high quality product and then give it away fro free then more power to them... that's life.

Why do I tolerate it? Because I hurt other people all the time in business... so I know it will happen to me. I don't do it on purpose, but I do it.

• Every time I underbid someone for a programming job I have "hurt" them.
• Every time I provide free advice on a technical problem I may be hurting some consultant who would charge for the answer.
• Anytime my talent allows me to do something better/faster/cheaper than someone else I am sure they are not happy about it.
• Anytime my resources (software, render farm, inventory of models or products) allows me to win a contract that someone else wanted, I am sure it upsets them.

So it would be pretty damn hypocritical of me to say ":Hey! Don't you dare do something better or cheaper than I can!"

If someone has the taint to do something in an hour that takes me 5 weeks to do - and they decide to give it away.... then I am out of luck. That's the way it goes. If it happens consistently I might want to reconsider whether I really have the skills to actually be successful in this business.

For vendors to whine about it is particularly confusing. Since many of them are in direct competition with each other - I wonder if they send each other nasty notes about "Hey, how dare you bring out a gothic female texture, don;t you knwo I have to eat!".

With the exception of intellectual property theft, it's all fair game. Get over it or stop trying to play with the adults and go back to the kiddie pool.

Gah! This bloody pisses me off...supportive hugs to Ironbear and any other generous soul that has ever recieved an email from an ingrate b!tching about something that was given away in good faith. I recently put up my first modest contribution to the community and have gotten only 1 rude email...guess I should count myself lucky.

I'm sure it drives some vendors crazy that Questors stuff is better then their items for sale. Well, I can tell them something: I don't buy, download or use second rate stuff, so the only thing that would get me interested in your items is a upgrade in quality. For crying out loud, don't rave against freestuff, but really learn your craft and create some quality products.

Well, some people are twits, maybe some vendors with great products write letters like this in their pastime too. Maybe is is some kind of misunderstood competing behaviour. Pray that I or some other forumites don't find you out. You will be a laughing stock until hell freezes over.

Damn, this makes me so mad, maybe I should finish some of my projects and offer them as freestuff. :P

i think it's sad that they gave in to a few mindless chimps. i don't know why they thought that, as soon as their stuff hit the marketplace, they'll be as rich as rockefellers...

Well said soulhuntre...espectially, "Get over it or stop trying to play with the adults and go back to the kiddie pool." :-)

You can see how people can make live the life of luxury selling poser stuff.I mean to say I bought 3dworldz..$8, well you could retire once you sell something so expensive to two or three people. I fail to see what the problem is with Questor's stuff, it's bloody nice work and, like many other gifted people Questor gives stuff away..well lets make an example of Questor, lets string the swine up for being nice. Envy is a terrible thing.
What's up moaners? Couldn't you install Questor's nifty weapons or is the work in them too much for you? To be bitter about somebody having more talent than you is so stupid that it beggars belief. You should be inspired by these people, look at Ironbear he doesn't let his envy of me get him down ;-) Insults from people who won't put their names to them are worthless, nothing more than the whining of cowards.
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gosh, ib, this makes me really, really sad. i knew that some of the vendors could be vicious, but, nothing like this. wow.....so for the sake of their everlovin' big fresh american dollars they would deprive the community of talented people who care enough to give. vendors....a little note to you: if you can't make an honourable living by sitting home and making poserware....GET OFF YOUR ASSES....either go forth and try and peddle your "skills" in the real world, or, better yet....help with the bandwidth issues and GET A DAY JOB....there is always a good turnover in fast food, or, telemarketing. this is just wrong.

Wowza. Makes the nasty e-mails I've recieved seem really tame, and they had me considering pulling my stuff. ^_^;;; Fyre's point 1: These people need to remember that 1) freestuff was here first. The marketplaces came later. 2) There would BE no marketplace without freestuff. Fyre's point 2: If these people are depending on Poser sales as their sole means of support, and they're capable of another line of work, then they're bloody fools. I talked to a couple of merchants when I was considering switching, and the best, top ranked ones were only making a few thousand a year. It's supplimental income at best, something to support your Poser habit, not a livable income. Fyre's point 3: Something they should consider is that I, and I imagine many others, think more highly of a vendor who gives away freestuff. If I'm borderline on a product from a vendor I haven't purchased from before, I'll check for freestuff from them. It gives me a chance to see if I like their work or not, and also a rough measure of if they're in this for love or just money. If there's nothing there, I'm probably not going to buy the product I was looking at, AND I probably won't hit their catalog again. (I also look at the most vocal complainers whenever a freestuff argument comes up. If they don't have freebies posted, then in my book, they don't get a vote.) Fyre's point 4: I, and I'm SURE many others, have a personal "don't buy from" list. People I've witnessed being rude to their customers on the forums (yup, seen it), people who've prowled the galleries and harassed those who posted work using a product under a different SN than they purchased (that is NOT why vendors are given the names of buyers), and people who do stuff like this. This certainly does explain why the general quality level of freestuff has gone down over the past few years. There's still great stuff, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't seem like there's as much of it, and when I go through the marketplace, a lot of the stuff there looks like what I would have found in freebies two or three years ago. To my fellow freestuff providers, success is the best revenge. By pulling down your freebies, you're giving people like this exactly what they want. They don't care about the bad name they get as an anonymous group. From a practical standpoint, in many e-mail programs you can block not only individual addresses, but all e-mails except specific ones from certain domains. So, for instance, you can block all hotmail accounts except a list of people you know. Now, I think I need to go finish up my Martial Artist's Coat and Calico Catgirl texture set and see if I can tork some of these people off myself.

I can't believe there are some people around who are so small minded that they feel they have to drive someone out of the community because they gave something away, I'd understand it if the freebies had included parts of the sold items. Instead of ranting at the creator of the freebies make your products better otherwise just keep quiet, what a shame they didn't give their names or we could have boycotted them, then they could bitch at all of us for "taking the food out of their kids mouths", if you're that worried about money get a job. I'd like to say loads more but I'm so angry I'm lost for words, IB I back you 100% on this, they make me sick. Rob

Thanks des, hugs are always nice... but for some odd reason, I don't tend to get a lot of nastygrams. ;] And sorry you got one also. It's not an isolated enough thing, else I wouldn't have gotten irritated enough to break one of my personal attitudes against starting rants. Well said, soulhuntre, everyone. And sorry about this - had to blow off some steam after I dropped in over there and saw that site announcement.

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• Monkeysmell

That's pathetic, I just wish I could find out who they were...I mean one good turn deserves another...don't you think?

heh, i've never seen such vicious attacks on freestuff. why not keep the freestuff up and put out even more ;> don't let them win. and let's get some email headers... amazing what you can find in there. :D

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What's even sadder, if the writers of those emails really DO have children, then they are no doubt raising another generation of ignorant, small-minded, crude, warped and belligerent people. :-(

These will be the people trying to sell yet another badly done female character, or a few poses that anybody could do themselves. Hello?! Nobody is buying your stuff because it isn't any good. Try learning the difference between price and value. :P

Ironbear - don't apologise for the rant! Everyone's allowed to blow off steam once in a while and I think this qualifies as one of those times. If you hadn't told us - then most of us would have been still unaware this kind of crap was going on. You did a good thing and I for one am glad you had your rant!

I really must get some of my free stuff more readily available. If only to piss these wasters off some more. :-) Trouble is, getting enough bandwidth without having to remortgage the kids. Talented freestuffers like Questor, SergeMarck, ISO and Kozaburo know all about this already; some of you may know that Serge has just emptied Poser Fashion and started again. PoserWorld and the Props Guild had to go subscription for the same reason.

Yup! lets produce more free stuff. I'm on board. Hummm...wonder what a guy who calls himself "Cuntkiller" could be producing. I'd love to compete with that Nazi. Thanks IB. Q

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Where is my old Renserosity ?!! That's the kind of crap I got why running joelegecko.com, but I got far more mails from happy people. 1. I can't believe some people are so demanding on free stuff ! It takes as much time as a sold item. Sometimes, it makes me feel some people shouldn't even be allowed to access those files. 2. FreeStuff - MarketPlace competition ? I remember a time when Renderosity was relying only on freestuff to get visitors... I personnaly think some people shouldn't be allowed to sell what they do. Anyway, they don't sell a lot since their work is not even basic freestuff quality. 3. Some merchants should learn to work without freestuff provider help : I mean, don't steal what they give away for free. And think about you really did when you're elected merchant of the month ! ;) ( sorry personal experience :) Really, really deceiving !

Ironbear our hearts goes out to you, as said previously, our emails were very tame compared to yours. Bitter, jelous people out there, and I am so sorry for your dismay. We all here and elsewhere love your work and we are sure we out number those hateful people. Keep your chin up and be well. Not all vendors are like those who tried to hurt you, true we are competitors, but in the true spirit of creation, we all appreciate good work. Mike and Sharen

I'm woth Poppi on this one, anyone who thinks that poser items will give them a luxury income is a several fries (And a drink) short of a happy meal. I was thrilled recently when my total sales was enough to pay my mortgage - but that was only one month and then it slows - so I know I would never ever depend on poser stuff to do more than buy my software and feed my hobby habits. Free stuff is vitally important in many ways, it gets people "hooked" on poser when they are new and unsure as they don't want to pay extra money out until they are comfortable. It often provides products which don't sell well but are still needed/wanted. Obviuosly those sending the emails also knows they are being stupid and petty - or they would have signed their own names!

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IB: the next freestuff contribution should be a posting of the complete emails from "said" vendors ... headers and all. As group project, the more astute users could break them apart and show exactly where they came from lmao Just a learning experience

Just to clear a couple misconceptions. I haven't pulled my freestuff. I am, do and will continue to make things free and as a result of some of the mails I've received I will attempt to make them even better than before. I've previously deliberately avoided competing directly with the stores. My models are static and don't contain morphs like some of the store items do. Also, I'm not great with texturing stuff so kept that to a basic as well - but that will change. What has happened is that over the last two years I've been getting progressively more nasty-grams from some rather pathetic individuals. At first it annoyed me, later I just treated them the same as spam and either deleted or rejected the mails. However, in this instance - as a result of my own site being closed - a close friend offered to host just the catalogue of my models, basically nothing more than a series of images grouped into common areas. She has had some of the most disgusting emails it's been my displeasure to read and quite frankly they're totally unwarranted. She hosted pictures for me. That's pretty much all, just pictures. Seems that even that is an excuse for abuse. So, all my files will be rotated through the freestuff forum at 3D-Arena, occassionaly Silvermage will pick one for hosting by the site itself. I'll find a new site for my catalogue and I'll re-enter negotiations with a provider in the UK regarding hosting. This hasn't driven me from the "community" (whatever the hell that is) but it has made me bloody angry. Not because I was sent hate mail, hell I could give a shit about it. But that a close lady friend was subjected to the same treatment for doing nothing. Trust me, Blaze is not an easy person to upset, she's pretty damned volatile but as with anything you weigh the pro's and cons against themselves and it just wasn't worth the hassle of tracking and retaliating against these people when it's far easier just to remove the target of their hate. I am NOT leaving. I have NO intention of stopping what I do, and every intention of making things better. Certain people don't want competition from freestuff providers, but rather that everyone sells through the stores and joins the "clan" of vendors. Sorry, in my case at least it's not going to happen. I will continue to produce free stuff, even more of it than before with a larger variety of items. The only problem will be hosting and providing people with a way to browse what's available - but I'm working on that and sooner or later I'll get things sorted out. It's unfortunate that I am not alone in this systematic abuse because I know that most vendors could care less what I do. The few I am friendly with and chat with regularly are great people with some great products, and that it is a very few small minded idiots responsible for bullshit emails to freebie providers. Perhaps one thing that annoys them the most is that the majority of my items have no commercial restrictions on them. Or perhaps it's just the fact that they're free. I don't honestly know. Whatever the case may be, their campaign hasn't worked, won't ever work and is doomed to ridicule from the start. This kind of bullshit just encourages me further. Hell, the weapon packs that Daz are kindly hosting were a direct result of some prat telling me to go away in short sharp jerky movements. So, in essence. I don't let this kind of crap get to me. Yes it's annoying sometimes, and as 'bear knows I've erupted once or twice over it. Yes, last year I did very much feel like calling it quits and leaving, but chose not to after talking to a few people. I'm not alone with this problem. Others get the nasty-grams too. Ironbear perhaps gets these things forwarded to him because people know him to be openly spoken and perhaps more approachable than some. Whatever the case, I understand his ire as I've felt the same way when a freestuff provider has pulled their files because of abuse, and if you check the forums you'll find a few who have done that. At this point I want to take a moment to thank the idiots who sent me emails, and for those freestuff providers who have sent me their hate mail in comparison. You might annoy some enough for them to leave but I'm made of different stuff, and all you're doing is pushing me to greater excesses. Check the Poserworld forum for a view of what's soon to be released from me and it'll give you some idea of how this campaign just isn't working. I will fully encourage and actively support any other freestuff providers who suffer from similar emails to those 'bear posted above. Carry on doing what you do, give away what you want and ignore the few fools who don't have the ability or the guts to stand and be counted. Freestuff is the life blood of the forums. Without it there's no real attraction to coming to these places and business will die slowly. Freestuff attracts people to the sites, and eventually they get curious enough to browse deeper and get dragged (kicking and screaming in some cases) to the store where they CAN pick up some fucking excellent products - and some garbage. We all offer a service. Whether it's just chatting, helping, offering tutorials and advice or freely downloadable files of beginner or higher quality, or store items. Wankers like those in Ironbear's post are NOT indicative of the forum mentality - well mostly not, and they are not representative of the "majority" of vendors (at least, I like to think so), just a few sick, sad little fools. Hosting freestuff is hard enough as it is and many like myself, have to pay to host free files - as contradictory as that may sound. Free sites have incredibly restrictive bandwidth allowances and many pay sites also have ludicrously low allowances. But that doesn't mean it's impossible, and the gratitude displayed by a few people makes it all well worth while. But for some people, especially the more sensitive or non-English speakers, this sort of thing is too much and they leave. Hell, why not? If people can be this nasty then why the hell bother? For me, it's the perverse pleasure of annoying people like this even more, and for those great emails I get where someone sends me a link to work they've done with my models - that makes it all worth while. Like most people I don't expect a constant flow of praise, or thanks, or even credit. I only provide a PART of the whole, but it IS nice to see what people do. Personally I get quite a thrill out of seeing something I made in an image, whether I'm credited or not. It doesn't matter, the thing was used and THAT matters. Thanks for the rant Ironbear. I guess it needed to be said.

Ummmm... thanks Sharen, Mike, Movida and others, but please let me clear up something here: Those are copies of samples of emails that various friends of mine have gotten that they forwarded to me, usually with a "I can't BELIEVE someone would actually send something like this! Look at this crap!". NOT mails I've recieved personally. I personally tend to not get flame mails for what ever reason. I can count on one hand the number I've gotten over the years. I'll be real honest - if I'd gotten any of those, I'd probably have shrugged, blocked the sender and deleted. Or dissected the header and emailed them back. Or posted it in the Tavern and made fun of them... I tend to not get to bent about getting flamed. I can figure out ways to make people who flame me real uncomfortable - I've been doing it for awhile now. ;] But for some reason, when my friends get abuse like that, it pisses me off a lot more than when it's directed at me personally. And, in the past year, the amount of abuse I've seen directed against freestuff sites has been increasing... I know a couple of people [names withheld] who've gotten inboxes full to the point where they hate opening their mail progs. That's what prompted this. Watching someone I consider a friend get enough of these that they effectively said "screw it" and pulled the freestuff end of their site because they were tired of the volume of harrassment they were getting ticked me off. Not gettng them myself.

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• Monkeysmell

Heh I guess my free stuff isn't any good, as I've only recieved NICE letters/IM's from happy peeps. But then again, most of my free stuff is...trash ;o) ~TrekkieGrrrl Don't let those idjits win.

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And pretty good trash it is too ernyoka. I've personally enjoyed playing with a couple of your models. Good work, keep it up. :) It's nice to have your "trash" to make a scene look lived in. Which is a good point, I really must finish my 78lb weakling can crusher image. :)

I'd love to know who is behind these hateful messages. Rest assured, I'd never buy their stuff under any circumstances.

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Well it doesn't really matter if you are getting them, as vendors for here and elsewhere we have gotten them, the fact that you make this public is a good thing, it helps just keep us stronger and it notify's others that this happens. Keeping informed is a good thing. We understand your anger for your friend and it is good that you are in my opinion going to your friends side to be there for moral support. At first when I read the letters then when to that site I got a little confused because it wasn't you, but now I do understand. Mike and Sharen

Questor, I like your attitude! So many freestuff providers have succumbed to this kind of harassment but not you. Nooooo! You're going to hit 'em even harder. I wish more freestuff providers would do that. Maybe the lame, no-talent, wishing-they-had-talent, marketplace leeches would get a clue.

Hey guys, from someone who depends on the freestuff, I want to thank you and tell those guys are Nut cases. I have a very very limited income and the only way that I can get the neat stuff that I use is by free stuff. That fact that you guys give this stuff away continues to amaze and cheer me. I download a prop unzipp it and wow, usually it blows me away. When I save enough pennies, I go shopping through the store for something that I can afford and want, I have never been disappointed. Maybe those goons, think everyone who has poser, is super rich and can whip out a credit card or two and buy the whole story. There is something serious wrong with that kind of attitude. I think that most of us, view poser as hobby or maybe as a seconday income at best. Me I know that I am not in the league with most of the artists here but poser scratches that creative itch that I have had for along time. thanks once more to all the creators of the free stuff. Butch butch@rabun.net by the way if those fools refuse to give their names and or their email address then they are worst than cowards....

I would like to point something out. A number of those posting above have said they can't understand the people that sent those emails. Wrong. The person. I'm pretty sure all those emails quoted by Ironbear are from the same person. The style is very consistent. In other words, we are dealing with a solitary nutter here. And the standard practice for dealing with solitary nutters is? Yes, class? Samantha at the back? Yes, "Ignore, ignore". Difficult, sometimes, when they come as distasteful as this one, but nevertheless, necessary.

Maybe these people need to go to work and do the poser stuff in their spare time. I worked 12 hour shifts as a nurse and still had time to do my programming because it was important to me. And yes, I have a family. I know lots of people who do this and you won't hear them slamming someone because he felt he could support the Poser community by giving away quality models. There are a lot of folks who can only use freestuff because they don't have the money to spend on models and textures and such. If I ever find out who it was that said those things I will NEVER buy from them, and I think the rest of this community feels the same. So they are taking food out of their own kid's mouth. Talk about lame. Marque

lol remember when people were mad about the marketplace because they were afraid there would be no more freestuffage? Marque

how about finding out who it is then everyone ignore them totally, avoid their MP stuff, their gallery, any threads they start, treat them as if they don't exist, see how long they can take it.

I never get nastygrams lambasting me for my freestuff! Guess my stuff isn't good enough? Inconceivable! Gah. Talk about putting the cart before the horse! The universe doesn't owe you a living. It'd be so simple if you could just declare that people buy your stuff, wouldn't it? Maybe, just maybe, if you spent less time harassing your free stuff 'competition', stalking the galleries looking for non-customer usage of your stuff, and other unprofessional and unproductive activities, and more time learning your craft, making high quality items and actually supporting your cusomters, you find your sales to be more palatable. Regards- Lemurtek

reads over lemur's post Nahhhh... that almost makes sense, Lemur. Shame on you. snicker

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• Monkeysmell

Sorry IB, I've been almost making sense most of my life, hard habit to break! :) Regards- Lemurtek

Well, up until this point, everything I have done has been for personal/commercial use. I'm now going to join the freestuff group and see if I can piss these losers off. Remember, any wanker that has to post anonymously is only tough on the internet. No bite to back up the bark. A nice approach is to go ahead and boycott all vendor purchasing. That way, the "clan" will clean itself up in order to survive.

I would like to add something as someone who has never sold anything or posted anything to freestuff cause I'm not that good and I do this to relax because I work sometimes sixty hours a week. I remember when there was no MarketPlace. When the MarketPlace came along. I thought "Why buy it when you can get it free." BUT then, I started noticing the nice stuff in the MarketPlace. "Okay, I'll buy one thing." Then, I noticed in freestuff a great texture for something sold in the MarketPlace. I got the texture and then bought the item. To make a long story short, I buy more stuff then I get free, BUT it is the freestuff and the forum that brings me here. My biggest fault has been not writing thank you emails to people I have gotten the freestuff from. If it is found out who writes such nasty emails as cited above, should be banned and/or boycotted. Since I now see what emails people who provide free items get, I am going to be sure and send thank you emails when I get a free item. Bill

There are flamers in every group. They send messages more for the response value than to change anything. If someone was serious about this, they'd put a notice with their name here in the forum. Ignore them. That p*sses them off more than anything. I don't believe these people really sell stuff in the marketplace, or if they do, they think their cruddy work is worth more than it is. They don't understand that our community has a great deal of experience in selecting things from the marketplace, and can tell quality from crap. People who sell in the Marketplace don't ever make a lot of money. Usually the best make enough to cover their own purchases there, and thats about it. The worst bemoan the fact that no one wants their stuff, but don't seem to realize that a set of body morphs or a Vicky battle top just aren't worth $20. You really need something with a lot of quality to get people to buy (like Curio or Quim or dozens of others). Freestuff is also used by Marketplace vendors to encourage you to look at their store. TrekkieGirl's freebies convinced me to buy her Trash Street scene (I love it). If I'd just seen the scene in Marketplace, I'd have been slow to buy, but all her freestuff showed me the quality of her work, so the decision to buy was easy. I'm just starting to put things in freestuff. Someday I may make something I think is worth selling (just so I can finally get a few of the things on my wish list). Flamers won't discourage me. For every flame, someone thanks me for something I've done. My Michael body pose set has been downloaded over 400 times from freestuff. Its not worth a dime to sell, just body variations, but some people find it useful, and I'm happy. Sometimes someone gives me credit in a gallery post, or sends me a thank you email. To me that's thrilling. Someone likes something I've done. One thank you email is worth 100 flames.

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Is it just me or a trend? The really talented people tend to be mellow. The folks making crap all claim to draw their sole income from Poser. Get real people. **I thought I'd write to you to say thanks for taking the food from the mouths of my children with your selfish attitudes. So you think it's clever to give away stuff free that others have to work for days at just to earn enough to meet bills.** Haaaa!! Get your ass off welfare and get real job you f'n slug! People like this will always hate talented folks whether they provide freebies or not. They're like knats. I could give a crap what anyone says of me or my friends if they don't have the guts to sign the email. This really does piss me off!

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shakes his head. I am a merchant. I also have a few items in Freestuff (prolly need to put more there). However, the only time I have ever received any e-mails about my freestuff were either a) Nice letters, or b) People letting me know when the link goes down. This is actually the first I've heard about supposed "members of the community" sending missives as hateful, ignorant, and selfish as this. I am personally shocked, as Questor has some wonderful stuff (I even used his swords recently in a couple pictures for the latest Animotions contest), and deserves far more praise than condemnation. And anyone willing to host anything for a Freestuff provider in this day of crappy free webhosting should be applauded, not lambasted. Whoever you were who sent such letters, be warned. If you send to the wrong person, you may find yourself charged with criminal charges for such things as mentioned above. And if your identity is ever learned, then you will find yourself losing practically ALL of your business as a merchant. Enjoy.

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The sad part in all of this is that one person, yes, I'd bet these emails were all written by the same person...the style and language is exactly the same...but the sad part is that you let one or even if it is a few, people run you off.....I suggest you trash the trash, be big enough to let it roll off your back and keep on keeping on!

The funny thing is that not everyone who uses poser is planning to make a ton of money with the program, especially when one is first using poser the thought of investing more money into poser stuff would keep many people from really exploring their creative talents. Poser is fun because of the many helping hands out there who guide the poser user through the stages of poser-addiction....yes at some point the freeby makers graduate to selling their products and many who sell still make free products; but we have so many wonderful items to use because of the way the community operates. Poser user decides they want to make their own stuff finds another program to buid stuff, then looks to those who have mastered the stuff making for help. Free stuff often is for noncommercial use; when you make something worth selling with the stuff you have to share the wealth, purchase the license or get permission; The immature person armed with a keyboard and an anonymous "name" will always be out there, they are the bane of just about anything good....rather think of them as shriveled up little imps busy putting other people down for their kindness.... I say thank you for the freestuff and thank everyone who has helped another learn to reach that next level...purchasing the goods from the vendors is another way to thank the community as well as promoting the program that makes us able to create things....

Dizzie, I have to agree that it does appear to one bitter individual - or probably from a few people that they managed to rile up with their self-important ranting. As for taking food from the mouths of children - bullshit. If money is that tight - and I have heard these types of comments until I'm sick to death of them. "I can't pay my web hosting" "I can't buy the poser things I want" "whaa whaaa whaaaa" well get a job or do something else - don't expect Poser to change that for you. There have been times in my life when money was tight enought that getting by day to day was truly scarey - but I never once thought that my selling Poser items was going to solve that problem for me. At the most it may garner one a few free props, clothing items by trading or working in conjunction with another merchant or even using their store credits. At the most maybe even free software if they play their cards right (or kiss enough booty lol). But buy groceries for kids, pay mortgage or rent - not on a regular basis. People have got to quit whining like this - if you aren't making any sales look at what you are producing - not at free stuff items. Hell create some free items of your own and release them as advertising. I don't release much here, but I have items on my site that are free and now due to this I think I will be releasing a few items free from my packages for limited times. To whomever hounded Questor and Blaze - thanks for reminding me to put out more and more free items.

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It's not easy to say something to such words ... but I will try to give this and that thought. Let me start by saying I understand both sides. As usual I can only think about this situation from my point of view. Of course it IS easy for myself giving away freestuff - because I earn my money in another (well - I would say more or less) normal job. So I don't have to worry about people giving away something for free for what I've maybe worked t long time to sell it for more or less money. I recently tried to sell something of my poses (well, that's what I'm known for) - but by doing that I tried to give away something special to make this stuff worth buying. Let me say that I'm a little bit proud of the stuff I'm selling but I'm not so mad to think I could do a living out of this. You should consider very well to depend on something. And I think Poser - and the stuff around Poser is not something you can build a living on - you can earn extra money with it - but ... getting your food and your money for the landlord from it is a calculation that is very vague (from my point of view - to say it again). To much risk anotherone is more talented or a technique could erase your work by just a piece of code. Do I blame the people by giving away freestuff ?? No - I don't. Because if I would do so - I have to point at my face in the mirror because I think I can say that I'm the one who destroyed the market for poses by giving away so much poses for free (well - you might agree to that or not - but I think I'm telling a little bit the truth). Once (oh - it's only a few years back) we're all shared our work and there was only Zygote (later on DAZ) who was selling stuff and we all thought - oh, well - do they really think they could make money with that ?? Now, we know it is possible and I would say they're selling good products. The same happened to Poserworld and I would say Rena and Steve are also selling good products. The borderline between freestuff and selling stuff is a very thin line and a fluid one also. The market is still very small and you have to be really good if you want to make money from what you're doing. And - well - if you're to good you have to face another problem - the file-sharing problem. These are all not very good points to decide depending on selling stuff for Poser. To blame other people for not selling your stuff is naturally another thing. For myself this is just a sign of bad style. You want people buying your stuff ?? OK - then make stuff that is worth buying !! You want satisfied customers ?? OK - then do something for your customers in helping and asking them what they want !! You want to be accepted as serious artist ?? Then accept the good work of other artists !! You found out that you don't have the talent but you want to live from selling things in 3D ?? Uh-oh - you should consider learning or doing something else or you might end under a bridge (oh - don't take this as a joke - I know such things can happen to everyone and without their own fault) Poser is changing more and more to a pure business - I really regret this - but I (and noone) can stop it. I only know one thing - I don't want to see the day it is only business - before this happened I will have left long ago ... Happy posing Schlabber

Firmly supporting you Ironbear, I think the "community" spirit is still strong, It may only be one man sending those mails. As some people said above your job is damn good to get such harassment. ...mmh... and one of my fellow workers told me you could eventually get the e-mail address from those "anonymous" mails, he he he ;)) Yarp

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Hrmm.. not sure about "one person", although it's possible. I've seen quite a few of them... I do tend to lean towards the "a small group of people". I hope so anyway. Gods help us if it's more than a small group, we're screwed. ;] Greybro, LSM, and a number of people hit a chord with me... I picked on Greybro's to quote because it happened to be under the cursor: "all claim to draw their sole income from Poser. Get real people." That's the thing that bugs me... I agree with whoever said this: you can see the people like Syyd, Colm, and a number of the Daz merchants who are doing this professionally as making a bit more. One would hope anyway - a site like RDNA is horribly expensive to run. They'd better be making a profit... Me... I'm going to go out on a limb here: I suspect that I and my partners do pretty nice work. It sells reasonably well, and we get compliments. But hey - On a good month, my sales, and other professional work within this community will pay my internet bill and buy a few items with instore credit. A bad month - it's a couple of cartons of ciggarettes... To be honest, I don't work hard enough at it to expect to make a lot of sales. Not nearly prolific enough. Where I make money with poser and other apps is when I sell a framed print to a client, or an illustration to a magazine or other buyer. That's decent bucks. One framed one off print can equal several months worth of marketplace income for me. shrug The fee from a single high end workstation out of my shop can equal a half a years worth of poser sales or more. The marketplace is supplemental income - it helps keep my two cats in the style they wish I'd let them become accustomed too. ;] It wouldn't occur to me to blast say, Schlabber for lack of sales. My mind doesn't work that way. If my sales are down, it's time to sell another print, or build a few more worstations or gaming rigs, or write an article for publication - not find someone to blame for it. Sorry schlabber, I don't think you can take the blame for wrecking the pose market. What it does do, speaking as someone who markets poses, is make a need to offer something a bit unique. But good stuff will sell, even if there's a lot out there. What you manage to do is push me to work a bit harder at it, and work harder at designing something someone will want to part with their beer money for. ;]

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• Monkeysmell

So sad there are such vile people in the world. I'd love to know who these people / person is just to see what they are selling (or not selling ;) Its hard to imagine that someone can be so small minded, vindictive, malicious, selfish, and self centered. I am someone who makes a certain amount of income off selling poser models, but as many have stated above, I can't maintain totally on those sales alone. It is icing on the cake, and something I love to do. Unlike the creep(s) above I heartily support freestuff. Its a wonderful thing for new and continuing users of Poser and its a great thing for creators to be able to give back to the community that has provided so much! I've been awfully wrapped up and haven't made anything for free recently, but I'll find some time now!!! Any requests? Email me. Hugs to Ironbear, Questor, Blaze and all the others who support them and the ideals of what this community really is. Wynter aka Catherine Todd Daz Products: Period Gown Period Clothing for him MW Versatile Long Gown and Overdress

Wow - I never even knew that freestuff people were flamed like this. Sometimes I wish it were back to the old days, when the "Free Stuff" was titled "Fun Stuff" . All we had was freebies. Don't give up freebie people! Your awsome!

...and a complete shitstorm ensues. IB, I'm with you, 'mano. With you enough that a certain item I was contemplating for sale will now go up for free... I've been piddling with this sky scooter thingy enough; time to put 'er up! (GNU GPL, of course.) Anyone who complains about vendors starving from sales lost to free stuff can kiss my ass, period. Come to think of it, Free Stuff has been drying out lately... I think it needs a little juice. Here's a challenge - how many vendors out there are willing to make stand-alone freebies, stuff that doesn't require the purchase of anything besides Poser? That is how we'll thin down who "anonymous" really is... /P

note: my english isnt that good ... but I hope you can understand what I mean For all people who blame against freestuff: I remember a time about 4 or 5 years ago ... no Renderosity, no DAZ ( ok ... we have had Zygote) no Marketplace ... only a few people who started a forum for Poser. Everything they have made was freestuff ... I remember great artists like Paul Hafeli, Anton Kisiel and so much more people who give away their HighQuality works for free and shared their knowleges. We all have had a real good time :) I agree with JOE LE GECKO ... where is my old Renderosity? Thats the reason why I give away all my stuff for free, high quality or low quality, no matter ( ok ok ... I have one item for sale ... but it dont sells very good so I think my stuff isnt High Quality ... heheh). I feel great when I see people using my stuff to make great images. I feel proud when I can help people to make their own stff. I feel great when other people help me to improve my skills to make better stuff. We have a great community here with great freestuff so please keep it alive. For all peaople who blame against freestuff because the dont make enough money to get their bills payed... go and find a Job! just my 2 cents Chris

"It Is Useless To Resist!" - Darth Vader

I'M TOTALLY SHOCKED!!!!! I simply can't believe people like this can exist..... And surely they are the people that push online stores to take down other people's work only because a pixel is similar to one of their products.... The god dollar strikes again.... :-(

You know....Just to piss Mr. Anonymouse off even more, I'm going to make some really awsome freebies. We'll see how many e-mails I get. Muhahahaha!

Heya - I DID get everyone's mind off of Poser 5 for a bit. snicker

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• Monkeysmell

Penguinisto: I'm not a vendor, nor am I likely to be but you can pick any of the following to go as part of that idea of yours. It's all stuff due out of my door - or just released. Just curious to know what would be liked and I'll find some way of making it available in freestuff.

Oops. sorry, one too many things on there. The Camping Kit (bottom right) is already available in 3D Arena freestuff. My bad.

CuntKiller, Anonymous, SickOfFreeStuff ... Well, obviously they need a little more imagination and respect for the other people.

WOW ... Questor, thats amazing stuff ... if you need some free disk space and bandwidth I can see what I can do for you. Just email me at c.froehlich@gmx.de . heheh Ironbear ... I totally argee with you :) Chris

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OMG.. I can't believe some assholes.... Sigh I can believe it don't want to.. Questor your stuff is fantastic and I have the files.. Just.. have to find a scene to use things. If VENDORS are getting pissed off because of this.. then those "Vendors" need to pull their heads out of their asses and go look for real jobs. Free stuff was first. Then came the market place. Not the other way around

Does my Land Dragon count? I seem to have made a few friends with him...

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Ooooh! Sniper rifles and an AutoMag! Yes please! :) later jb

The freestuff providers are amazing. I've had my gripes about freestuff offered as non-commercial but that's my own issue. Still, freestuff is the best feature around. As for the marketplace, I've seen some pretty lame crap for $10 in the market that probably wouldn't even be a good freestuff item. I personally think there should be a minimum requirement for market place items. Some kind of criteria like skin textures must be of x size and must have x mat settings or models must be poser ready of they claim they are and must have complete texture sets. One thing I'm surprised no one has done is come up with a standard texture set so others could make objects based on that set and so a customer would by one texture set and as many models as they want. The model would simply say its compatible with the John Doe texture set so the model doesn't have to provide textures. The Texture set could be in packs like a city scene set (brick patterns, concrete, bumps), outdoor set (trees, backdrops), indoor set (walls, tiles, trim, wood) etc. Someone who makes a model simply maps their model to the set then advertises it as set X compatible. Lets face it, concrete is concrete. Sure you may want a different look so you personally replace a texture here and there, but for the most part, common objects will have common texture attributes. Walls will have repeating wall textures. I can't even count the number of textures I have that all look about the same layout wise and would save a ton of space if the objects all referenced the same texture. Someone in freestuff did this with hair textures a while back and made a cool set of generic blonde, brown, black, red hair textures that others use as their textures for their hair models. They simply map the model to that hair texture.

Valandar - your dragon is the only one I have and use (I, umm, ripped his wings off and use them on my faeries :) So yeah, I believe it would count indeed :) Questor - I only have one question: What username and password would you like on my freebie server? :) (in all seriousness, that's the first halfway comprehensive accounting of firearms in Poser that I've seen in a loooooong time, and I have a small but slowly growing collection of historical RL firearms.) I really don't feel qualified to answer your question myself, but maybe we ought to put it up for a vote in its own thread. I'll have the sky-scooter (along with an additional texture donated by VirtualSite) packed and uploaded tonight, when I can get out from behind the school proxy. The accessories (missiles and pylons are already done) I can either post, or someone can add to 'em, no restrictions. /P

Great Idea Penguinisto, I don't have the skills to model something from scratch (for now) but surely one of my current projects i'm making for sell will go out as totally free... Hope a lot of merchants will approve your great idea ;-)

godseth - it doesn't have to be a model... background images, textures and morphs for Posette/Dork/Judy/Don (or Vicky, since more than enough people have that), or it can be light sets, poses... let your imagination fly. /P

::You know....Just to piss Mr. Anonymouse off even more, I'm going to make some really awsome freebies. We'll see how many e-mails I get. Muhahahaha! :: LOL!!!

::Heya - I DID get everyone's mind off of Poser 5 for a bit. snicker :: Not to mention the beginning of another legendary long thread. ;)

Are you people all nuts???!!! Freestuff be de work a de devil I tell ya. Or maybe a stinko commie plot... or maybe not... they kinda passe dese days- mus be dat damned Sadam guy. And if you gonna tell me you innocent cuz you ain't done no freestuff den whazup with all dem free advice you givin in de forums, huh? Don ya know ya cud be chargin' fer dat info? Whaza madda, you don wan no cushy five week holiday in de Bahamas wit alla yur profits? An while we's at it les go nuke Renderosity. I mean really, whazup with all dis bullshit 'bout no subscriber fees? Idjits! Me... I gonna go cash in summa dem empty beer bottles an buy muhself sum bad, bad mojo frum muh local witchy doctur. Den I'm gonna take dat mojo an point it at DAZ bigtime! I means, really, jes who the hell they think they be wid all dat dere freebie a the week stuff? Bastids! - Jack Notice: by reading the above carefully considered and valuable notice you hereby agree to remit either the sum of one year's income or your first born child. Please contact the writer for details concerning the Swiss bank account to which you may remit your payment. This demand valid where prohibited by law. Note: Souls also acceptable as payment subject to prior evaluation.

gets a warm fuzzy every time he sees a render with his Land Dragon... Didja know that critter was the very first posable organic I ever made? Back on subject, I would think that if anyone would get hate mails like this it would be me... My Land Dragon competes directly with numerous dragons out there, even my own Dracos Titanicus. And it's free. And it has wings now. But all I ever get are nice e-mails, and an occasional note when the link is down.

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This is the same attitude that caused all the nonsense over Micro$oft giving away IE for free. True, there was some alterior motive there but it seems that some people just don't want anything to be free.

Tired of scrolling. Why Iron Bear? Why? :) Have fun guys. THANKS TO ALL THE FREESTUFF PROVIDERS OUT THERE !!!! Q

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I second quixote, here is a huge thanks to everyone who provides freestuff items. THANKS! I've got a small combat pose set I will try to get up on my site this evening. It goes good with some of questors guns. :)

Like MOST here, the freestuff was what originally attracted me to this site. I really appreciate the freestuff providers - they have made this hobby possible for me. I'm with you 100% IB, and Questor, too. Questor, your stuff is GREAT! As for the lentil-sized-brain JERKS who sent those emails, to HELL with them!

Geesh .. Get a life people that flame freestuff pople. And to anyone who has ever made freestuff .. THANK YOU! I can name all the people whose freestuff I have used, learned from and just had a great time with. but for all that have ever provided anything, thank you.

Hee, seems when I tried to post this before it was eaten. Trying again. ... Sadly, flames such as these are fairly common in any online community. I work for a subscription game and whenever we do a major new release, regardless if it's something positive or negative for the players involved, we receive hate email. It's the nature of the beast; no matter what you do, there are people who are going to dislike it or who just want to blindly lash out. Ironically, I was planning to avoid putting out free items because I was concerned about bandwidth issues. After reading this thread, I've changed my mind and decided to try and do some small projects for the express purpose of putting into the free area. I forget the author and the exact wording, but there's a quote -- "If you are called a genius by half the people and an idiot by the other half, remember that the truth is somewhere between." While I seriously doubt there's anything more than a small group or single individual responsible, it's still quite a good quote to remember if the name-calling brings you down (and vice versa, I suppose, if your ego is a bit unwieldy from compliments). ;) Erik "Kep"

... and verily the anon-a-loser vendor was violated vigorously and made to dine upon the heads of fish...

"Not all of us have the skills to churn stuff out like you do. So back off or fuck off and give those of us trying to live a break."

Echoing what IB had to say, if you don't have the skills to pay the bills, get better at what you do or quit... lamenting in your mediocrity and lashing out just makes you a petty, contemptible loser...

I don't know who the idiot is that sent that, but I hope people realize that even if it is a vendor (whether here or elsewhere) it doesn't reflect the attitudes of most vendors. I suspect that this person has a few low end products (low in quality, can't say about price) and they're upset about those items not selling. Tough! Reality Check: I've turned down $8 textures to pick up $25 textures because of the quality involved. If a commercial product is worth my money, I'll buy it. If there's a similar, free version available, I'll balance the reputation and past experiences with the vendor and the free stuff provider. There's certain vendors that I'll always take their commercial stuff over a free version done by someone else because I know their quality is that high. If I have free stuff from that merchant, I'm also a lot more likely to buy their products over an unknown person's free stuff. I've had vendors contact me to let me know about special deals, to give me free upgrades, or just to thank me for the purchase. I can't think of one vendor who's been rude. If I ever do find out who sent that, I'll never buy from them again. (Of course, I suspect it's someone with no talent who sent that, anyway.) One thing you can do, IB, is look at who got flamed and see if there is a commonality in their Free Stuff offerings, then see who has a commercial version available. It's not proof, and I wouldn't suggest posting the info as it could be wrong, but it would make for an interesting starting point. Sigh Remember the days when civility and friendly competition were the norm? If you'll excuse me, I really have to make some more Free Stuff now!

It sounds like all the messages were from the same person--same tone, overuse of the "F" word, and poor spelling. Just reading the first sentence of any one of those messages would tell me loud and clear that I'm dealing with a moron, so I wouldn't take any of it to heart. I would think anyone who is getting something for free would be a little more considerate especially when the artist has taken the time to create it and distribute it free of charge. I also can't imagine bashing someone for their art. And I have no pity for the bashers for not having jobs or losing business--their lack of intelligence and tact is probably what is holding them back--not another artist's ambition.

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Now let me think. Do I shell out $25 for a texture map for Vickie? Or do I check out the free ones available first? Having been stung more than once with shoddy second rate highly expensive merchandise I reckon the decision is an easy one. The vendors who are bitching need to bear in mind that precious few poser artists make a living at it either. Markeyplace stuff really has to be something special to tempt me. A $25 bag of M&Ms please.

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Sorry to hear this Ironbear, goodness knows you've helped me so much, in the Tech Support Forum, and with your awsome freebies! Some of them are spectacular! I think you've set a presedent for many to follow in the Free Stuf area. Thanks once again for all! = )

I hav'nt read this entire thread, but where are the Dangerous Curves freebies you had in the free stuff area? I have them archived, but I'm sure other Newbies would love to see them! = )

Love your firearm sets. I've been looking for a musket and some older rifles. Great to see them pending. Any plans for some even older ones? Flintlock, blunderbuss and Napoleonic war stuff is on my wishlist. I like the look of your buildings too.

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I read the first couple of messages, and am still reading, but just wanted to comment on the initial post.... freestuff in other arenas are being attacked as well..flight sim addons, games adds, etc.... Its great to be able to make a few bucks selling stuff at different marketplaces, but there are no excuses for the attitude portrayed by those that sent the emails...more than likely, they learned their skills by reading and doing FREE tutorials provided by the very people they're bashing.... There would be little in the way of a Poser community if it wasn't the folks that make the free items, tutorials, tips and so forth. In those emails are the ISP addresses of the senders...deal with them.

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Well, with 40+ items up at 3D Commune Freestuff, I have to say I've never had a nasty mail yet. I have had a lot of good comments in the Freestuff boxes (3D Commune allows you to comment on stuff you d/l), and I've also has nice mails from people. Oh well.... I suppose my stuff isn't good enough to compete with this clown who sent the mails. Hip-hip hoo-fucking-ray!! I started selling through DAZ a year ago and can second the points above. Anyone who thinks they can make a living selling poser stuff online needs their head looked at! It's pin money, nothing more. I do it because I want to be able to make things that people think are good enough to shell out their hard-earned cash for, plus, if it's a 3-month project, it gives me an incentive to finish it. But if it pays my monthly internet bill, I'm doing well. Questor is one of the many people who have helped me in chat rooms, working out problems and giving me advice, and I know he's always preferred to make his stuff available for free. Ironbear is another active, useful member of these communities. To see this kind of abuse against them is sickening. Incidentally, I don't think anyone has quite figured out the psychology of the creatures who send mails like this. As far as they're concerned, the point is not to send a mail that actually achieves anything, or makes any coherent argument. The point is to insult and abuse, while cramming in as many swearwords as possible. For them, it's the equivalent of jerking off. After they've sent it, they can fall into a post-coital stupor of self-righteousness, knowing that someone, somewhere is being shocked by the result. These are the same people who like to slap women and kids around or beat up homosexuals (as long as the odds are at least 6 -1). Hey, you know what? I can look at myself in the mirror without flinching. I wonder if these people can? mac

Sorry Penguinisto, I've had a long few days and decided to get an hour's snooze in. Consider conformation received, both here and email. And thank you. Now off to the drawing board to get something together that's half decent to look at. :)

No need to apologize - I just wanted to make sure the webmail thingy worked on my end :) If you need anything else, holler - but go to bed in the meanwhile and grab more Z's! /P

Hey Questor, next time you're gonna make a freebee of the fantasy type, I'd like to do textures for it to offer with it. hehe. I agree with what Ironbear has said. I don't do things on a large scale in the modeling department, but I make my freebees and free textures the best I can afford to with the time and growing skills that I have. I feel that what I give for free reflects on me as much, if not more, than what I sell. I pity some anonymous person who sends me a nasty gram, but I've not been out and about so much, I guess, to warrant some loser's attention, thank goodness, but I might be eventually. It saddens me that some people have the views expressed in the example emails that ironbear provided.

I wonder how many of these less talented people, who are complaining so much, have downloaded freebees themselves. I dare them to say they haven't. Of course, for them to say they haven't would require they reveal themselves and I don't think they wanna do that. Has anyone already made this point? I don't know. I haven't read the whole thread. I got a little burnt out on thread reading recently, hehe. Take me a while to recover.

I only have one thing to say to those lamers who have been flaming you... GET A FUCKING REAL JOB!! I am a seller here on renderosity, and I have no intentions of ever making more than just a few pennies off my sales. I only sell stuff to buy stuff. not to pay my bills. I have a job for that. so why don't those fatass morons get off theyr fat asses and get a fucking job!!! Sorry I rarely curse in posts.. but this just pisses me off!

Well I've had a few nasty letters - but those sound kinda personal. And yes, the style is remarkably consistent. My general feeling is that if my freestuff is better than the marketplace stuff - then the vendor(s) had better get their act in gear :) puts on moderator hat I would like to remind you all to watch your language please :) Lyrra

But, but MOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM! Well, can I at least give 'em the finger? (see thread further on up :) ) /P

hrm, where would be without free stuff? I've only offered a few things myself, those only left up for a few weeks(ack band with again) at a community site. Leave them up on my own site, :) I did most of my first images with the stuff that came with p4, then with other free figures(loved eve and angie...I think I still have them installed somewhere) It was only in the last year and a half that I started buying(caught that vicky bug) Haven't regreted it so far, but that is selfish, unrealistic, of that person(I think it was only one too)to spam like that. Questor your stuff is amazing...I'll keep a look out for it. I have only have one grip for vendors, that is those that make money of off others free stuff...it seems wrong some how, or charge double for textures for lower priced items of other peoples items. I suppose if they had permission, but that is my own thing and not the response of the community.

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I haven't read all of this huge thread but here's my AUD$0.02. There is definitely a similarity of style between those letters. I'd go with the one psycho or a small group of them theory. Anybody that seriously thinks they can make a living out of selling stuff at Renderosity has they're head screwed on wrong. For 95% of vendors it can never amount to more than subsidisation of your Poser activities, especially if you buy any decent modelling software. Speaking as a vendor, I wouldn't be in this business if it weren't for the free stuff that got me interested in the first place, the free stuff that taught me how to do things and the free stuff that taught me how not to do things ;-) Free stuff rules. Long live the free stuff.

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Questor- your totally right to be pissed. I would be too. So many of the vendors and merchant behave like they are the begining and end all of art. EULA's that say you can use it for this but not that. Subscription that say you can come in but don't you dare download too much (like buying a magazine but not being allowed to read every page. Software that only lets you use it with permission of the developer. At a time of there chosing(don't even think of putting it on two machines in your own room with out explaining why). Your experiance shows that many of the merchants here are nothing but TROLLS themselfs. Never assume that all is well in (paradise?).

Why are the vendors bashing the freestuff area when most of the vendors stuff products are on file sharing browsers? This is too damn funny. This goes right along with the P5 EULA debacle. Everyone is so damn greedy these days(or any days for that matter). Come on people........."share".:)

OK, before this gets into a "let's bash the vendors" thread which I do not believe is the reason that Ironbear started this thread. Please, don't label all the vendors with the same tar brush. There's no proof at this time that the person(s) responsible for the collection of emails that Ironbear has are vendors. Just a suspicion. Anyone can make the statements presented in those mails. Even some dippy little troll who thinks it's clever to spam and lie. We don't KNOW that it's vendors, it's an assumption. OK, a fairly safe one but still an assumption. Most of you in this thread know some of the vendors. I certainly wouldn't label many of them with the selfish nature of those in Ironbear's initial post. So please, let's not turn this into a generalised attack against vendors, that would be grossly unfair on those who do honestly offer a good service and value for money and do not attack freestuff or the providers of freestuff. Let's remember that while it is freestuff that attracts people into the site, it is the store that funds the site. It's a symbiotic relationship that I like to think most understand.

"but some of us have to make a living from selling poser goods" This person must live in Italy. This is why I LOVE Capitalism! Capitalism rocks! Of course Capitalism (a society's superstructure) needs an Infrastructure (Judeo-Christianity) - or you'll have enron type stuff, but if ya don't like the free market system, go to China, where you can let the government tell you what you can and cannot believe. Phew.

hmm, definately can't blame all vendors, look at Stormrage, not only a vendor, but frequently putting freestuff up. Sams3D another good example of vendors making a living and still giving away items. oooh and DAZ even gives stuff away. gee sounds like someone got a short circuit in thier (name sex toy of choice here )

I think only the those modelers with the skills and/or technical expertise and/or talent worthy of it should even think about trying to make a living at it. It's better to deversify into other venues of 3d as well, if you're going to do that, though. I know a couple exceptions of modelers and 3d artists who can pull off the making a living at poser only thing, but only a couple.

i read this thread early, this morning...and felt indignation at whatever "vendor" would do such a thing. I DOUBT IT WAS A VENDOR WHO POSTED THOSE MESSAGES. WHY? 1. anyone who has sold their poser stuff for money...from textures, to "original" prints, to what have you...is probably savvy enough to know....don't plan on paying your mortgage with your sales "projections". little stuff like 9-11 can be a serious fly in your ointment. 2. isps can be tracked...no matter how "anonymous" one would like to be. wow....could that put a chink in the ol' revenue from sales....branded a freestuff troll...oh, my. 3. the better known "vendors" around here, would word their hate mail a little more professionally. i think this is just an internet troll trying to stir up trouble. let's hope he/she gets enough welfare, next month to fill that prescription!!!

Well it sounds like the work of a single individual - at least I hope it is :( I can't understand why anyone here would feel that they have some proprietary right to anything at all - including sales! As a vendor, I'm glad to see people putting items in free stuff. That's what got me started in Poser and can only help the community to grow. I've put a few items into free stuff but it now occurs to me that it isn't nearly enough. I think it's a great way to return something back to the community that we have all grown from.

It is kind of interesting that freestuff is what attracts a lot of new people to poser, if all you could get was what came with the program and a few items for sale you would end up with a lot less people using Poser. Less people less money spent, catch 22 Huh :-)

I know that for the first year with poser all i used was freebies, but as i became more and more hooked on the program i started buying product to use in my art.
God knows i love the free providers, but i also don't mind shelling out for a good product :-)

I personally do not buy from those who do not provide some free content, why? Because i feel that you have to give as well as receive as a merchant, a kind of way of saying thanks for the support for purchases past and future.

For those injured by these idiots, i feel for you, and will support you now and in the future. Thank you for all your wonderful toys!!!!

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OK I never read all the posts..... I have questors products ( well the ones at Daz3d anywho) and I really like the quality of them top notch stuff, he could sell them for a bundle and doesn't kodos you you Questor. As you the emails...they are just lamers, I sell in the market place and give away free stuff all the time. I guess I am shooting my self in the foot (heehee debate about Questors gubs...shoot me in teh foot heehe) but I do not see it that way, I started in the free stuff... a lot of free stuff, and moved to the market place to try and supliment my income for software/hardware, not to pay the bills...I am sure a few of the best merchants can pay the bills (although I am sure not every month) but I am also guessing that they all have 'real' jobs as well.

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You know, no matter how interesting a thread may be, there's always one flaming idiot that has to post an image 2048x1024 wide and throw off the text. Like I'm going to move the horizontal slider bar for every line of every post in this thread. Talk about censorship, just screw it up so people can't read it! Filty.

With all due respect EricofSD. The only "flaming idiot" who posted an image in this thread is me, and it's 800 wide - default width for the larger majority of computer screens, not 1024x768 The thread width was determined by the first post in this thread and I have no idea why it's done this but I suspect it's a reaction to cut and paste from a text editor. So, from this "flaming idiot" thanks. Sorry to have caused you such terrible grief. And I'm sorry that the image was so deceptive that you thought it was so big.

Darn my traitorous fingers, I meant 2048 wide, Well it ain't and it wasn't. wanders off to beat fingers into submission

I set my screen res to 1400x1024, so I hardly notice image size. I figure most folks have at least 1024x768, yes? Running Poser in anything smaller would be a screaming bitch to handle IMHO. /P

Questor, my apology if it wasn't you. I've seen posts go wide like this with imges. If you are not the culpret, then I shall stand in the corner with a we noodle flogging myself. But to the idiot who did make this a horizontal scroll bar thread, shame on you.

Ironbear, take it easy on the **** line, would you? There's a lot of people who respect you and forcing the horizontal scroll bar is not something I care to mess with. If you want our time in reading your rant, then respect our time by not forcing the tech issue. Thanks.

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"2. isps can be tracked...no matter how "anonymous" one would like to be. wow....could that put a chink in the ol' revenue from sales....branded a freestuff troll...oh, my." Well, to be fair, it IS possible to be anonymous ... it's just not convenient. It is fairly trivial to make all your traffic from your PC encrypted to the input of a multiple hop proxy network... Your ISP will know you are using the net, but not who you are talking to or what you are saying. All cookies and so on get stripped and all. Very cool :) For fun check out the link. As for the issue at hand, I will be happy to offer to do some textures for a few free stuff items as part of the effort. I do best with tech things but I can do something with anything. Now if only I could get decent POSE files to actually USE Questors guns *sigh*.

Just wanna say...after only reading a part of all this...I am soooo glad your still around Questor....sad to hear what you went through...your a star talent and always have been in my books...and soooo generous too...that is to be highly commended, not ridiculed by egotistical greedies and gremlins cowardly hiding behind their spineless arrogance... Be well...

I haven't made anything I could upload in Free Stuff, but what better compliment than you're such a good artist that someone tells you they can't feed their kids because of you(which obviously can't really be true, but still...) When I do finally make something worth posting, I will cherish every angry email I get.

", but where are the Dangerous Curves freebies you had in the free stuff area? I have them archived, but I'm sure other Newbies would love to see them! " - cainbrogan They're still there, and so is the Sunlight & Shadows pack. Do a search under DIgitalVisions - since they're a joint effort by me, Styxx and Eshal, they're posted under our partnership nick. "OK, before this gets into a "let's bash the vendors" thread which I do not believe is the reason that Ironbear started this thread. " No! Jesus Christ people... keep in mind, I'm a vendor also. So are my two partners, so are something like 80% of my closer friends, including Stormrage. Didn't realy intend this as an anti-vendor thing. Like a few people in this, I'm not real certain the individual(s) in question are even merchants. If they are, probably not very successful ones - almost without exception, all of the people I deal with who are vendors are pretty good folks. And as a store admin, I deal with a lot of vendors on a regular basis. I'm not sure what the motivation behind something like those type of mails would be... my mind doesn't work like that. I suspect Mac may have come pretty close in his theory. Hey - Soulhuntre? Check out Don's Gunfighter for Steph poses in Daz freestuff. Those were built around some of Q's guns. Ko, so it's not complete, but they make a good base to build from if you need other poses.

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"Ironbear, take it easy on the **** line, would you? " Ah. Sorry Eric. My first read was "????" until I scrolled back up to see what you meant. ;] Yeah, np. Since I run at either 1024 or 1280, I'm afraid I forgot about it. Drafted in WordPad and pasted in. I'll use a smaller seperator next time. Apologies. ;]

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No problem, IB, I actually have tried to read this thread as you can tell from the multiple posts. Sorry I jumped on questor and you. I doubt that I will make it through the thread, but from what I gather, the freebie folks are being disrespected. That's a shame.

Questor, my apology if it wasn't you. I've seen posts go wide like this with imges Thanks EricofSD. I'd also like to apologise for the sarcasm in my response, my excuse is lack of sleep which reduces my tolerance level somewhat. It wasn't fair to jump on you when a more polite explanation would have sufficed. I've also seen posts go wide with large scale images posted into a thread and should have been a bit more tolerant of your comment. My screen res is 2048x1024 and I tend to object to having a full width browser on my desktop as I tend to run multiple screens when browsing. I guess I should have fallen into bed a bit earlier, that way I wouldn't have bitten anyone. :)

Soulhuntre. In addition to the gunfighter poses from Don Albert in the Daz3D Store which are based around the western revolvers and rifles in the free archive, Don also has a set of trick shot poses for Stephanie in the Daz3D free archive that can be used on the other millenium couples with a little tweaking - those are designed around and include my LadySmith revolver. Schlabber has a couple sets of firearm poses on his site and cd for Posette/Dork. I have two pose sets for Mike and Vickie that can also be adapted for most of the sidearms. Blaze has been working on a series of rifleman poses for the sniper and hunting rifles that I've made (though these aren't ready yet). If you want the mike/vic poses send me an email and I'll post them out to you.

OK. Just to take a moment of your time. Penguinisto has kindly offered me hosting on his server and in the spirit of happily cluttering up other peoples hard drives I've accepted the offer. Hopefully I'll be able to get some html together and get the site live for the weekend. I will post and let everyone know when it goes up. Thank you very much Penguinisto, your offer is extremely generous, though you may live to regret it. :) I want to thank everybody in this thread who has either sent me or Blaze messages of support. She will respond to the emails herself later but for now she's asked I thank you all here. Thank you also everyone who has offered webspace to store various amounts of my models. Those offers are greatly appreciated. For those people who have offered space, I would ask that you keep an eye out for other freestuff providers who may be struggling and help them out. The strength of the forums is their ability to help each other and for the members to pull together. It'd be nice to see that spirit continue and enforce itself. Let's face it, without free stuff most of us would have much smaller collections of models and textures to play with. Bandwidth is and always will be a problem, but perhaps by spreading the load around some of the sites and offers that have been made by people in this thread a new trend can start. One of support. In all honesty I can think of no better way to "pay back" the people who sent abuse to generous souls like Sams3D, Fyrespirit and so many other people who are less vocal about the situation. On that note, it's nice to see people feel so passionately about this issue as it increases my faith in the forums and their members, which I confess had been flagging somewhat. I have no idea what triggers the abusive mails. I really don't. Why I and Sams3D should get them yet other people who offer freebies do not is a mystery. When I first broached this subject at 3DCommune last year the amount of emails was relatively limited, yet I was still aware of several people who were offering good to fair quality files that were getting nasty-grams in their mail. These varied from "you suck" to some fairly graphic and vicious emails. That trend if anything has increased over the last 18 months and it's sad to see it happen. I'm not alone in receiving abuse and I fail to understand the trigger that causes it. Suffice to say that there are people haunting the forums who have a problem with their own self esteem, or just like to hurl abuse at people. Hell the galleries get trolled regularly enough for little or no reason so it's not a unique situation. Little people who need to feel important in their own minds and do so by being abusive online - or in real life - exist in all walks of life. You can't avoid them but not everybody suffers from their particular kind of unpleasant attention. What motivates them is a mystery to me though there are probably a multitude of psychological explanations. It's enough that these people exist and it's more than enough that a few of them infect the cgi forums. As we've seen in this thread, the abusive behaviour is not limited to a few people or to these forums. Gaming forums and freestuff providers there get the same thing. It's sickening and very sad. I doubt that the awareness founded in this thread by Ironbear will last for long, the forums are too fickle and too active for that to last long, same with the support. But at least people are now aware of the situation of randome abuse though I have no doubt some of the vendors have already suffered from this spiteful behaviour and were aware already that some strange pathetic individuals infest the forums. Perhaps that awareness will stay with a few people and a better showing of support for freestuff and vendors will result. Who knows? Anyway. I'll take a risk here on behalf of all freestuff providers both vocal and quiet and thank everyone in this thread for the surprising show of support that has been displayed. Especially those who have received abuse through IM and emails. Yeah, I know, speaking for the mythical "all" is generally a mistake, but I think it's safe to say that some people will feel a bit better from reading this thread where before they may have felt rather alone and unappreciated. Ta muchly everyone. The emails to myself and Blaze have been greatly appreciated, as have the offers of hosting space. I just hope that this thread isn't forgotten as easily as some are, and that the statements made here hold for a while in people's minds. There's a symbiotic relationship that runs across all forum sites, but more especially so in large sites like this one. Freestuff means visitors, visitors means customers, customers means sales. Without one, the other cannot exist. Without sales these sites could not exist. Something to consider perhaps.

Thanks Questor and IB - I forgot I could re-use steph poses...

I have no idea what triggers the abusive mails. I really don't. Why I and Sams3D should get them yet other people who offer freebies do not is a mystery. maybe the abuser(s) are trying to make the same stuff as you guys in particular. and yes, there are other modellers who give out popular free stuff like PhilC -- we just haven't heard from PhilC on whether or not he gets nasty emails too... maybe the abusers prey on people who aren't as common in renderosity forums (like you) or seem too nice and hence can be abused into submission (like Sharen) or someone who might be new and weak enough to be scared into sulking away and getting rid of their competing items... or lemurtek's explanantion g all stuff you've thought of i'm sure :) so the best way to beat them back is keep doing it... hehe... cheers :)

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[I have no idea what triggers the abusive mails. I really don't. Why I and Sams3D should get them yet other people who offer freebies do not is a mystery.]....the explanations above hold water and make sense...but then again...your dealing with artistic, creative people....and artists in every shape, way and form can and are usually a very strange, imaginative bunch...that is why we are artists... Unfortunatly sometimes that creative streak also can get the best of folks too and form an ego that swells their head bigger then their body can handle and they go into unbalanced loony mode and really begin to think they are the ultimate "gift to the art world"....explains why from time to time folks are the ways they are around here too....far too many times...must be some kinda artistic gland in or near our brains that lets off ego chemicals from time to time...huh....must be...?? Suppose this is the opposite to not having enough....too...which is then why you get folks that like to "give up" so easily... Stay well and be proud enough to know your good...

This sounds like one individual (and seems familiar, like something I've seen posted somewhere, I think by someone who presented themself as a single mom). Quite seriously; free counseling is available and can help - ESPECIALLY if your really do have children.

Like many, I'm sure, I appreciate the inspiring post by Questor, but I have to admit, I got nauseous reading it with having to pan back and forth. Don't feel so good now, gonna vomit. Your post was very nice and inspiring though, Questor.

What utter bullshit! I can't believe that people would send these types of emails (ok, I can, but its still horseshit). Questor, I consider you a friend and I am quite appalled at this. If there's anything that I can do to help (rotating emails, hosting, mirroring, anything), you let me know. Kudos to Penguinisto for helping you out and to his great, awesome freebie skybike that rivals anything commercially available. Take that you wanker freebie basher! I'm on the pro-freebie bandwagon too. I make a pledge, here and now, to offer a quality freebie for each vendor item I create, with no commercial render/animation restrictions. I might even do a higher ratio, perhaps 3:1. And to the persons responsible for the emails... Blow me.

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Wow one UHGE thread...thought i would add my two pennies worth: I started in the community maybe 2 years ago when i first got my own copy of poser, and as an artist using poser my work was shit. i admit it! I joined Renderosity and i saw the likes of Questor, ToxicAngel, Sinsister and many many other who had skills i though unnatainable. I stayed around looking at the freestuff sections and gradually hunting out both the props and models but also the tutorials that would help me improve my art. And muc of the time i did not have the money to buy the vendor stuff. So freestuff was my saviour. I guess onyl this year did i actually manage to start putting enough money aside to be able to purchase those models in the vendor comunity that i really really wanted: The millenium dragon, RDNA's gothic armour etc...and those models i have bought have been outstanding in quality. Which is what i would expect if i pay! But that aint it at all...you see i still use kozaburo hair...and that folks, is still free! and in most cases i defy anyone to produce better hair textures and morphs for free than those...heck to be honest Kozaboru hair stil beats some of the vendor stuff hands down! Now this is my point..recently i fiddled a bit with some textures and poses, and they quickly became my own contributions to freestuff. my millenium dragon poses and eye textures hae been, from what i make out, huge successes i the freestuff section. Now a tutorial has been released and after only a week its been downloaded nearly 2000 times! Now im being honest here and you can mail me anything you wish about this next bit, ill take it on the chin...i've seriosuly thought, "shit, this could make me some serious cash...even if i charge $1 dollar a time id loose some people but still be in the money" yep i thought that.... and so even as i write this im working on another tutorial.and i was tossing about whether to make it a pay for item.... now this is the point: I could not be what i am today without freestuff. I would not have the skills i possess today without freestuff and the people that post awesome files in the community for free...anf this is the reason why the stuff i put out aint ever going to need to be paid for by you guys.....im giving my bit back to the communty that nurtured me when i knew nothing and could afford nothing.... you want my Dragon eye textures, take 'em....my new tutorial when its done...have it.... if i die tommorrow the money in my bank wont mean shit...but maybe just maybe someone will still use a texture i gave away, or a pose i spent time making... and to me...that matters more than any money in this world.... this community thrives because we all help each other out, and yet there are people who decide to rock the boat and shit like that! people who dont give credit for the stuff they use, people who steal others props and claim them as their own, and people that just want to make a buck out of others.... to those i say this: you want to make things for money fine, the community needs top quality merchandise and we are willing to pay for it..but not everyone can justify money on their artwork hobby. And would you deny those people the right to produce their art and learn their skills? Would you deny the world artists like ToxicAngel and Quagnon and As-Shanim and suchlike? because i think at some point they have all used freestuff....even if it was only the bottom rung of the ladder they now stand stop of...but they used it...and so did I! so im giving my stuff back to the community for free.... you want to hate me for it, go ahead...you hate my freestuff...dont use it.... and when you die i hope your piles of money take you all the way to hell...because it certainly wont keep you warm whilst your alive!

I thought I posted last night - but it seems I didn't. The really sad part about all this is that if this person or people had asked Q for help with their modeling - he would have given it to them. Even if it was for a commercial project. Just like he gives stuff away that other people would charge for. With no commercial restrictions no less. Cause that's the kind of guy he is. Period. Free Stuff creators rock! I thank you all from the bottom of my heart - and my pocketbook thanks you too ;) lol

Just came across this thread_ how sad this guy must be! (and I agree it sounds like one individual) He's obviously an embittered no-hoper in terms of his modelling skills, either that or he has delusions of being able to make some sort of living at this game. Most of us vendors I guess sell to allow us to buy!_certainly no prospect of a living from it. Its good to see such solidarity in the community. Reading the thread has made me think I must get more stuff in to the free section..its what led me in here. Started me buying, led to me modelling and selling. And still I can't come close to matching some of the real geniuses out there how give their stuff away for free. Great idea Penguinisto _ flood the free area with great stuff and that'll make the bastard spit all the more!

Hey Q?!! is that that pool I'm waiting for?? ;-) I agree with Jade the thing about this that bothers me the most is that Questor and many free stuff providers would be quite wiling to help others out - so what is the real reason behind bashing them? No one can seriously think they are going to survive solely on Poser that's just beyond ridiculous, and frankly those who do survive by selling Poser related items are those that make teh big breakthroughs - people like Anton who constantly stretch the programs potential with new ways of doing things or those like Syyd who do amazing skin textures. Anybody who thinks free stuff items are taking away their livlihood are obviously not providing anything that is deeply needed or wanted by the public. Create something original and keep compounding on it if you want to make a living at it otherwise "quityerbellyachin'"

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I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
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Hi, total poser newbie here (this is my first post). Actually new to computer graphics although have made my living blowing glass and making things with my hands for most of my adult life (and I'm old enough to have voted for Carter!). I really appreciate everybody who has provided free stuff. I've bought my first characters (from a vendor who provides freestuff), and looking forward to upgrading from Poser 3 soon. Without the wealth of free stuff out there I would never had a desire to "move up" and spend my hard earned money on what for me now is a hobby. Since I am used to making things for money I might at some point offer, something for sale (to help pay for my hobby), but I'll definitely be offering up lots of freebies first (to trick people into liking me) - then again I might not ever offer something for sale. I have to say that except for the swearing (my problem, not anyone elses) I've really enjoyed reading this thread (and confirming what I thought, which is that this is a pretty nice "community" of talented people). Thanks again go out to anyone who has, does, or will offer freebies. May God bless you in all aspects of your lives! BobbyMike aka Michael Walters

Heh heh. Well, welcome abord, Bobby. ;] And sorry about that, sometimes when I get annoyed I can go gutter - obviously a character flaw. ;] Have to admit though, browsing any number of emails like the ones forwarded to me I posted above [and there were a few in the past year that were too vile to quote - even I'd be embarrassed], has a tendency to make me want to reply in kind. I was raised a gentleman, but occassionally my natural barbarian tendencies come to the surface. ;]

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

Questor, bless you_ I have most of your free stuff from DAZ, your generosity to the community (and all those other free stuff providers) is unquestioned and very much appreciated by 99.9999% of us here I'm sure. The quality of your models is quite superb and I quess that's partly what got under this creeps skin. He can't compete on price and probably can't compete on quality. ps that ? shower block set looks way cool..is it posted anywhere yet_awesome!

As a 'direct action' protest (not really_just glad for you all to have) just uploaded an Easy Pose worm in to Freestuff. Enjoy_ looking for lots of bites and a good haul!! Cheers all Nigel

No problem about the swearing. I gave up cussing, fighting, drinking, whoring-never actually had a problem with that one;), etc. a while back (as a Marine I pretty much saw-did it all) I just have three sweet wonderful boys and I want to keep them that way as long as possible. I wasn't offended, I just don't like to be around it because it's too easy to slip back into it. Thanks for starting this thread, it answered alot of my own questions on what the general perceptions of what people thought about freebies! Thanks also go out to Questor, PhilC, Cooler, Peguinisto, Ironbear, Schlabber, TrekkieGrrl, dna, DAZ, 3D Strike, SturkWurk, Capsces, Dodger, etc. etc. for doing what you do the way you do it. (if you didn't see your name don't fret I have a very small brain, and can keep only so many names in it at a time) Michael