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Branches are a little thick. How'd you get one side to droop and not the whole thing?

I've had those lop sided ones too. Try to decrease leaf size by 1 and increse foliage density by 2 or more. Decrease trunk thickness and decrease gravity. Sometimes I use trunk textures with little or no bump for leaves and tweak the colors too.

The Tree on the right is a random with the leaves cut back in size and increased amount. Also used trunk texture with no bump and a tweak on the color. If you hold ALT key while selecting the tree from the default foliage create menu you will get that sub menu(better and precise selection).

Ah...you'd have loved Bryce Camp this year! Scott Tucker guru of all things Tree says to start with a bald tree and add only a few leaves - three or four tops to the branches. I usually sink the tree to get rid of the pregnant spot though thinning the trunk helps some. As far as the droop, that is usually caused by "Branch End Angle" - try adjusting that number down, - Foliage/Shape/Scale can make a difference too. Here's a simple quickie..

LOL! Those branches are fat! I noticed that the leaves are too few and too big, and that it still has the same looking shape as the default tree. Really mix it up in there! Play with everything but DON"T mess to much with the branches per segment option. You can move the first bar all the way to the right with little trouble, but to move the second is death! Also, try using stacked or staggered for the leaves. They are more natural looking than the default spiral configuration.

I am quickly understanding other members' frustration with the tree lab. My limbs are too fat, so I decrese that, and everytime I do they get shorter and shorter...how do I make limbs that are thinner (normal) but not only 2 inches long? my tree looks like sea coral. And, that is a beutiful tree Max!, but how do you get past a tree shaped like a tall cylinder? Mine just keeps getting taller and thinner(and still has fat limbs) I want limbs that stretch out .(more horizontal) I haven't had any pregnant spots yet. Lol....oh, I have opened a pandoras box with this tree lab... AgentSmith

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You thought I was kidding about my branches looking like sea coral, huh? AgentSmith

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I think you have a great future in creating coral reefs for underwater scenes! Mad - that is a great tree!!!

Yeah experiment with everything like Max said, it's just a get a feel for it kinda thing. I tried lots of stuff in Vue with trees...but all "Vue trees" look the same. Bryce trees are really versatile.

COOOL. That coral stuff is awesome. I never would have realized the power of the tree editor to do anything other than trees. It certainly works a lot better than using ab unch of metaballs.

Note down those seacoral settings and post them will ya!

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Oh great AS - now see what you've done! - hehehehe - You've created a new avenue of exploration for the rest of us!!!! Don't you just love happy accidents?

I guess, lol. I'm beginning to get a small clue how to operate the tree lab, I've went from Charlie Brown X-mas tree, to a Tim Burton one, but it's getting better now. AgentSmith

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Sea Coral settings. Then I just aimed the camera at the top of the tree.

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LOL!!! I gotta print this thread!!!

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I don't think you can get anything but the most basic trees out of the tree lab. However, some things I have learned are to use smaller leaves than the default settings. I also don't like the ambience in the leaf textures, I always make it zero. The link is to some trees I've made using a lattice for the trunks and about 30 trees for branches.

Getting closer to my goal. Branches are a smidge too low. I want the leaves slightly thinned out to simulate fall weather. Also, will have to change the color of the leaves.

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Branch start/end angle and distribution are the main factors that will effect the shape of the tree. Distribution will effect the vertical pattern of branches i.e. uniform from top to bottom, clustered toward the top. Branch start angle effects the "offshoots of the branches. This will control if they point up, down or sideways. Branch end angle effects the leafy part of the branch and to what degree it bends. it is similar to gravity but it is a more precise and uniform control. Look at the brycetech treelab thingymabobber.

Impressive. Damn sight better than mine. You know of course, that the one who perfects his trees has to write a tutorial about how he did it! :)

Branch start/end angle and distribution are the main factors that will effect the shape of the tree. Distribution will effect the vertical pattern of branches i.e. uniform from top to bottom, clustered toward the top. Branch start angle effects the "offshoots of the branches. This will control if they point up, down or sideways. Branch end angle effects the leafy part of the branch and to what degree it bends. it is similar to gravity but it is a more precise and uniform control. Look at the brycetech treelab thingymabobber.

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Oh and here's my tree site if anyone wants to mess with some premades that are fairly diverse. As you can probably tell I have not updated the site in almost a year and a half so some of the trees (the fir trees) are not to fabulous...lol. My personal favorites are, in order: Giant Sequoia, (You can stick a road through the roots) Japanese Cherry Tree, and Japanese Plum Tree. I have done significant updates on all of the trees but my favorites. I will try to get these up on my new site soon. The pic shows the japanese cherry tree.

Oh and BTW, Trees can also be used, if you make the trunks invisible, for particle effects.

Thanks for the reminder Max, I've got Brycetech under one arm and Bryce in the other.

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Thanks Max!

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My goodness, what odd shaped tree branches!=> For anyone who interested, or frustrated with Bryce trees, I found this very handy web page...My first couple of trees were horendous, this helped immensely...:}

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Thanks AS, I'm going to play with that coral setup - much appreciated!

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I've done the invisible tree trunks and glass leaves for semi realistic bow wake splashes. I've been working to perfect bushes (especially sumac) and have only been able to partially succeed. I bury the tree in the ground so only part of the crown shows. Here's my best fall picture to get a feel for what I've done for fall foliage. BTW can you enter previously posted pictures in the challenge?

Yeah, I took advantage of Bryce tree crapness on "Summoning the Djinn" where all the bulbous, slimy greenery was just a bunch of Bryce trees gone wrong. I try not to use trees very much, because they end up looking terrible. In Bryce 6, maybe...?

"BTW can you enter previously posted pictures in the challenge?" No, sorry. Rule since time began.

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lol I had to look at the string because of the title BT

Hey, BT, your trees are really nice , they look Like trees, wish mine looked so good...=}

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ooo,oooo...I feel an abstract coming on using coral trees, thanks Agent Smith! ^_^

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thanx zhann the settings for the cedar/pine trees are in the tutorial at brycetech.com ..its the same tree settings for those. The others are just random trees selected from the tree lab...Maples, oak, and the like. I randomly selected a tree and changed the leaf color (sometimes only slightly, sometimes significantly) also randomly selected a tree and changed the leaf count then all I did was duplicate like mad and place 'em everywhere (by landing them, grouping them all, then dragging the group down slightly to embed it) it was easy :) BT

BT, with all due respect :cP Thpppt! You are soo good at trees. Color me jealous. :c) AS, thanks for the info, I had a blond moment on that. :c)

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Brycetech's tutorial was more helpful than anything in the Bryce manual. Thanks Brycetech! AgentSmith

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yah, Brycetech is in my favorites, and I seem to refer to it every month or so for something or another.

y'all want to do a tree discussion? We can swap ideas, techniques, and such if you'd like. It seems that you think I do something special and I really dont (at least I dont think its special) but I'd be willing to start a tree discussion string with the whole detailed schpill of what I do and then maybe you all would like to chime in? just a thought BT

I'd love to see one of those again. I lost my directions on making weeping willows and would love to learn more about fall leaf colors for which trees. I've been kinda winging it and ending up with Terry Redlin-esque results. (aka. inappropriate colors on trees... but they look good!) So you could count me in on that.

Okay, I've been trying to recreate the trees that are on the link that Zhann sent, and I can do a few of them, but most cause bryce to tank out on my system. The crashes seem to be isolated to when I try to increase the segment count, and branches per segment. I noticed that on some trees you can get away with increasing these sliders up by increments of 1, let it compute, then 1 more. God forbid though you change the randomness, gravity or distribution AFTER you've upped the branches or segments. At least that's been my problem. Anyone else sharing this dilema?

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Here's the thread on the weeping willow.

I didn't have any trouble with those, although the spruce and pine were the only ones I fooled with, sorry mboncher, if they caused a crash...please forgive...:(

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The tree lab can be ravinous (spelling?) with memory, this is going to make me get off my butt and go get another stick of 256.

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No worries Zahnn, I appriciate the help you have done. What I've been doing instead is cutting down on the size and complexity and saving them as .obj to cover my behind so I don't have to go through this every time. And yes I probably should get more than just 256 of RAM as well. At least I know my processor is up to snuff. (Athelon 1.3ghz with quantispeed... gotta love it.)