Hi Im truly sorry so many are having probs with P5, guess im one of the lucky ones my problems have been very minor and only crashed it once and that was first time in set up room boaning this tail for judy. as yet i havent textured this it just some color slaped on it. dynamic hair judy and tail 30,000 pollys hair is set to 80 verts render time firefly production raytracing 4.5 minits. this is on par with other rendering progs i use with sym polly counts so i dont see this as slow at all but inline with every other advanced render i use. Laters Vel