I'm sure a lot of people have been doing the same thing I have for the last month - following the poser 5 threads and trying to figure out what the hell's going on. And now it seems to me that, slowly but surely, I'm beginning to see less complaints and more real results. Obviously some people have patched, which has resolved a lot of problems. Other people didn't have problems to begin with and have been experimenting all the while, and now we're seeing some of the things p5 can do. Plus, the people who do have it working are posting tips to avoid the most glaring user errors. But what really puzzles me more than anything else is this. There seems to be NO RHYME OR REASON WHATSOEVER to poser's array of problems. It doesn't seem to matter a hoot whether you have the best or the worst (within reason) machine on the planet. AMD vs Intel? Win 2k vs Win XP? Patched vs Non-patched? None of these things seem to guarantee a working app. For every person who can run it with one system, there's another with a similar system who can't. Bizarre? That's putting it mildly! Didn't CL test it on a wide range of machines and OSs? If they didn't.... why not? If they did... why weren't they aware of some of these issues? I'm not trying to slam CL. I just wonder about these things. Anyway, I'm one of the poor 'saps' :) who ordered p5, but I ain't got it yet, so I can indulge in the luxury of the voyeur - watching with envy and horror as other people create with it or tear their hair out in despair. My copy arrived in Scotland last week and is currently wending it's way up to the Italian Alps, so I should have it in a few days. But I've already decided one thing. I will NOT install it on my current machine. I'm having a new one built right now. I'm going to install win 2000 and nothing else, then Poser, and IF it works.... I'll fill up the machine with my other apps and go for it. And if it doesn't work? That's a tricky one. I'll probably get that machine going and try p5 on my old one. Worst case scenario, I bite the bullet and forget it, but I hope it won't come to that. I really feel for all the people (like dave-so), who have had horrible problems with poser 5. All I can say is, your threads have at least made the rest of us aware of some of the issues. Small comfort if you've just shelled out bucks for a useless app, I know, but what else can I say? So, in the end, I suppose I'm a bit more hopeful about p5 than I was 2 weeks ago. Things seem to be settling down a bit. I know plenty of people will indignantly claim the opposite, but I think objectively, it's true. Now, if it all goes pear-shaped when I do install, maybe I'll tip the balance back again. I hope not. mac