Daz doesn't do it either. Is this some kind of secret nobody knows about or something? You don't have to edit .obj files by hand or with some fancy software. All you have to do is save the your .obj files with the export normals option un-checked in the free version of UVmapper. Poser doesn't use normals. And you'd be surprised how much you can cut the file size just by doing this. Doing this doesn't effect the texture maps. It can be done at any time. Even after the figure is completely done and set up. The average file is cut by at least 1/4. Usually more. Doing this will increase your render speeds dramatically. So why are people not doing this? Does it cause problems? ScottA