Ok, I know I've arrived a bit late on the P5 scene, and I admit I've not properly checked out R'ity forums for a while. Did I totally miss the P5 discussions, or have they moved elsewhere? I've checked through quite a few previous messages, and not found much there either... Until now, I've been sticking with P4, because I wanted to finish an animation project and was afraid that the new P5 renderer might give a different 'feel' to my final scenes. I wanted to avoid that. Well, thank god I did! I love P4 and think it's one of the best things I've ever had on my PC. But WHAT IS UP with P5???? Is this program unfinished, or what? Deadly slow, inferior renders, frequent crashes... I got SR-1 (not wildly happy about THAT either - it's a BIG download, and not all of us have fast or free internet connections - suddenly P5 is more expensive). And now I'm expected to download and TEST beta SR2??? I mean, OK, P% is a new program, and it's big. Obviously there will be some bugs. But it's on sale, so I expect it to be at least functional, and an improvement on the previous product. Is that unreasonable? Sorry if I'm being incoherent - My mouth has been watering at the thought of starting work with P5, and I'm just overcome by massive disappointment. I don't appreciate paying to be a CL bug-hunter, and if CL want to operate this way, they should consider 'paying' us by offering the fixed product on CD, free. Sorry for the rant, and sorry if it's all been said before. I just had to get it off my chest. But really, is the discussion all over, or has it been moved elsewhere? (I don't mean the SR-2 discussion, but more general matters - like, how to make P5 work). I mean, how have other people coped with this program? I can't be the only one who feels like this. Should I just go back to P4 until this horror is sufficiently patched, or are there ways to make it actually DO stuff? - specifically, animation without crashes halfway through the L O N G rendering process, and ways to make renders that aren't inferior to P4. If this has all been answered before, I'd be grateful for directions to the relevant threads, and for any help, sympathy, or whatever anyone wants to offer by message or email (if you don't want to clutter the board here with anti-P5 stuff.) Thanks, Morphy