Ok, before I get into the nitty gritty technical stuff, yes I will be posting the prop, texture, and mag sets later tonight (need more time to play) This is a teaser really ;) Ok here is how it works for poser: -Take a square plane that is made up of a halfway fine mesh -Make a map for the hair, and a transmap. -Use magnets to warp areas of the plane around the head, giving the illusion that the hair exists in 3D space. In this example I used one at the forehead to pull the bangs out infront of the posette's head. I then used two more, one to pull the left side of the hair over the shoulder and the right in back of the shoulder, as that was how the hair was in the pict I chopped it from. -Render and bango, you have hair. Paul you are a genius, from here on in I am scraping my trans hair, this is just too darn easy. Like I said I will have the download and mini-tutorial ready by tonight. -Trav