Ever since I have become hooked on Poser 4 (now 5) I have become aware that if it were not for the DAZ characters I would have dumped Poser from my system a long time ago. The characters in Poser 4 look stupid and Don & Judy in Poser 5 are simply a waste of space on my hard drive. Maybe DAZ will come up with a Mike III and Victoria III soon. That sure will knock the crap out of Don and Judy. Reb