Reading through some threads here I see references to a heinous crime called 'tagging'. Errr... what is 'tagging', anybody? Jack

No idea.

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"Tagging" is another word for painting pictures or graffiti on walls and other peoples garage doors etc.

It's a specialized form of graffiti. Gangs or sub-gangs ("sets") will mark their territory by painting stylized letters or pictures on walls. Some of these images are quite artistic. Google for "graffiti", and most of the pictures you'll find will show some form of tagging.

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But what does it mean in reference to these forums? People are saying that someone might get threatened to be banned because they were tagging on the message forums. Is that verbal graffiti? I don't understand what they are talking about either.

'Tagging' is new Renderosity PTB slang for something I don't want to describe because I don't want to be banned just now.

BTW you know you have been tagging if you get the warning from the mods.

Lets see when this thread disappears err... moves.

Well, I did mean regarding posting in the forums. But hey, I've learned something new about graffiti. Jack:-)

So you understand what it is but you can't describe it because then you would disappear? Sounds like some H.P. Lovecraft came up with from the Necronomicon. Or maybe Lewis Carroll. Tea, anyone?

Umm. "You're it"?? Lewis Carroll's photography would have gotten him banned from Rosity. Interesting fellow. I read this theory that Lewis Carroll was Jack the Ripper. His nonsense poetry served as anagramatic revelations of his actions as the murderer. I think it was in the New Yorker. Interesting fellow. Hmm. Umm. I hope this kind of irrelevant remark doesn't count as tagging. Does it? Umm. poof I'm gone....

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I thought Jack the Ripper was Prince Edward or Thomas Cream? Or a doctor revenging an ill gotten disease? Or a midwife who did her extracurricular job very poorly. Would you like a biscuit before I go? I don't know if I have the idea or not. poof ?

How can we avoid doing something, if we don't know what it is? Tut tut it looks like rain poof

Tagging on Renderosity would imply (as far as I understand) any thread that speaks poorly of Poser 5 or Curious Labs. Jack

BTW, I'm sure at very least this will qualify us for the "Off Topic" forum. But I hope they tell us what tagging is before we have to go. It's hard to avoid doing something you shouldn't when you don't know whether or not you are doing it until after you've done it.

Well, poof if my message might actually be the tagging which everyone knows about but no one can define precisely. You do not have the idea? Actually, I can't remember whether it was the New Yorker or NPR. One of those. I'll see if I can find it. Really bizarre theory.

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I found it.... singsong I know what it is... /singsong Tagging: Baseball; the act of tagging a runner (off foll by out) in Baseball by putting (a runner) out by touching with the ball or hand holding the ball [18th c.: orig unknown] So, it means I think, that anyone caught running through the forums trying to touch base three times or trying to reach the other side of the forum has to avoid the moderators touching them with a ball held in one hand or they're "outta here"... :D Took me ages to find out what the "official" definition was. Cool, I also found out it was gang markings on turf or indentifier graffitti. I wonder what it has to do with forum threads though? Maybe it's just moderator terminology for "having a bad hair day" looks around and wonders how fast he'll have to run to get over the other side before getting caught

Ah. Jack the Ripper, good. Bad mouthing Curious Labs, bad.

Actually I don't mind Judy and Don (I'm not into supermodels), getting to the point of being able to actually use Poser 5 (even done a couple of Firefly renders, hurray), and have relatively nothing to complain about now that it is possible they have found the sniper(s), and it may rain in my drought striken city this weekend.

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Questor, thank you for the explanation, even if I'm still a little fuzzy on the application. However, it will help me in watching future baseball games. Well, considering my hometown baseball team, maybe not.

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LOL @ dialyn I don't even have a baseball team here on my rock, and I'm just as confused as you about the application, but I made it right across the forum and back again without meeting one mod with a ball in their hand, so I'm beginning to wonder if I'm wrong. :)

Tagging on Renderosity would imply (as far as I understand) any thread that speaks poorly of Poser 5 or Curious Labs.<<< Ah, dangit, Jack! Ya beat me to it! Oh, well. The truth is universal... >>>SSSSSWOOOOOSSSSSHHHHH!!! POOF!!!<<< casamerica

Well, if anything, this thread was fun to read. LOL Never heard of the term "tagging" before reading this. I'd like to know what it means in these forums too.

Perhaps we could ask a mod, or would that be... POOF!

Attached Link: Merriam-Webster

Main Entry: tag Function: verb Inflected Form(s): tagged; tagging Date: 15th century transitive senses 1 : to provide or mark with or as if with a tag: as a : to supply with an identifying marker or price b : to provide with a name or epithet : LABEL, BRAND c : to put a ticket on (a motor vehicle) for a traffic violation 2 : to attach as an addition : APPEND 3 : to follow closely and persistently 4 : to hold to account; especially : to charge with violating the law 5 : LABEL 2 intransitive senses : to keep close [tagging at their heels -- Corey Ford] - or - Main Entry: tag Function: transitive verb Inflected Form(s): tagged; tagging Date: 1878 1 a : to touch in or as if in a game of tag b : to put out (a runner) in baseball by a touch with the ball or the gloved hand containing the ball 2 : to hit solidly 3 : to choose usually for a special purpose : SELECT 4 : to make a hit or run off (a pitcher) in baseball Taken from the dictionary's mouth. Now, if we could decipher which meaning has been used, we would all be better off. ;0)

Perhaps to follow closely and with persistence? That is, someone who keeps posting the same topic over and over again in a variety of forums/message threads until poof??? I'm guessing. I haven't a clue. I don't think anyone has been caught breaking the speed limit in the forums, and bookmarking threads so you get notified upon comments added seems to be accepted. Any other ideas.....before we all go poof?

According to a OT forum post, Artist3d is a habitual tagger, so we can just wait for him/her to strike again, and than we'll all know what it means.

Maybe we could start up a 12 Step Taggging Detox program? We could always "patch" the "program" to fit the eventual definition... ;0) TA (Taggers Anonymous) SR-1: Defined.

I'm not going to say what I suspect "tagging" means and what it is used for... poof Okay, just kidding. I'm still here. I doubt I could ever do anything that would warrant my being banned. You can bet that if I ever get banned it will be a result of a conspiracy of which I am an innocent victim. bats big Bambi lashes

"Tagging" in this context sounds to me sort of like what "trolling" is on Usenet. If anyone doesn't know, that means posting a deliberately provocative post for no better reason than to upset people. Roughly. Trolls usually don't actually care about the issues, they just want to get a reaction and feel superior or powerful because they actually pushed some buttons. It's pretty lame. I have seen some examples of that sort of thing in the forums during the past couple of weeks, but that's just my opinion. I can't know for sure if those people meant what they said sincerely, but it looked like they just wanted to stir the pot. If "tagging" really means speaking critically of P5 or CL, which I doubt, then there's a free speech problem here which disserves the integrity of the forums. I've been openly critical of some of the evil things people have said about CL employees with absolutely no real clue of what they were talking about, but I wouldn't advocate censoring them unless they made threats or clearly intended to libel for no better reason. Sometimes it's healthy to vent. But still, I doubt if that's what "tagging" is, here. Maybe there's a little too much conspiracy theory regarding the CL/Rosity relationship? :-) And since I'm rambling, in my large USA city, "taggers" are referred to derisively by real grafitti artists and everyone else. Taggers simply squirt their pseudonym indiscriminately, with no consideration of context or the potential value of the defacement, frequently without any calligraphic sense. They tend to be on the younger side of "teenage." They're sort of like "trolls" on Usenet. :-) Maybe all the taggers really want is a hug. (yuck!)

I allways thought tagging here in the forums was to put a mark of some kind. a message that you want to follow.

I think when you mark a thread to follow it that it is called bookmarking. I don't think anyone has gone "poof" over bookmarking...of course, I never looked to see if they were there afterwards or not. Too poofy for me. I've a bus to catch and I need to do my own vanishing act for this day. Night all. Here's a self-inflicted poof.

The term "trolling" has long been in use in these fora. Everybody whose been here for any amount of time should certaily be familiar with it. There are certainly enough complaints about trolls in all the fora. Suddenly, and out of nowhere, we are told that "tagging" is an offense against the TOS (but not mentioned anywhere in the TOS, BTW), but the PTB refuse to even tell us what "tagging" is. It looks more and more and more and more and more with each passing second that "tagging" is code for badmouthing CL in any way/shape/form.

Attached Link: http://casebook.org/suspects/carroll.html

casebook.org is the definitive Ripper site. The link is to the section on Lewis Carroll. No one takes him seriously as a suspect. Nor the prince. Nor the Masons. But why take my word for it? I'm a Mason.

Oh yeah.... Poof ;o)

And still, we do not have the answer. What is tagging in terms of this forum?

Has anyone bothered to actually ask a mod?

If the mods are modding, then they should see this rather long thread, don't you think? That's what I was counting on. Maybe that's too much to expect. I'm sure they are always very busy. You couldn't pay me to moderate a forum, at least I don't think you could. I'd have to observe a day in the life of a mod to know for sure. :o)

Or maybe tagging is putting the little slogan at the end of your message, you know sort of a trademark. Volfin * doing this could be hazardous to.... Poof

Hiram - Yes, a mod has been asked, the mod that started the term in fact, but he's being evasive and not answering. :)

Questor- What? A mod is not answering what should be a simple question? Tell me it isn't so. What is the big mystery that it is taboo to say what means it to be "tagged" or to "tag"? This is just nuts. Such a simple question, why can't it be answered?

Mab: Sorry can't tell you it's not so. It is so. I have no idea what the big mystery is, nor do I know what a "moron factor" is in a thread that results in it's being moved out of here. But they are two new terms Tagging Moron Factor That we must all come to know and understand (somehow) because they're TOS violations that get threads moved or people vanished. Cool huh? You can read all about it. Here. http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=920957 Have fun. You'll be as confused as all the rest of us. :)

I could understand it as another term for Trolling. Seems there have been a lot of really basic questions being asked on here in the last couple of weeks. Maybe the Warez kidz? Wow, paranoia. :)

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I haven't read Questor's link yet, but I did just see a thread in which someone posted the word "tagged" as a "bookmark." If that's all it is, there go the fun conspiracy theories. But why would bookmarking be a TOS violation? It doesn't contribute to threads, but it's inoffensive. I have no idea, but if "tagging" is criticism of CL, that might explain why mods would be reluctant to say so explicitly. They don't want to start a censorship scare, knowing that it will escalate and make 'em look poorly. Especially now that people are paying close attention to the sad parting of the waters. Admittedly, this is semi-idle speculation. I just hope it's not "tagging!"

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Oh, gee. We've been teleported. ;] How nice.

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I come from australia, and over here (and in New Zealand too I imagine) tagging is something that happens at the bottom of rugby rucks. Its when a player stomps on you while wearing their "tags" (like grass cleats). How this may relate to forum's... beats me.

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teleported - wow, right in the middle of posting lol

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Cool... At least it's not the hidden depths of obcurity in OT...

Not yet...

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When it slid out from under me, that was the first place I checked...

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I bookmark threads that I want to watch. I usually put"bookmarked"in the subject line so the recipients of the e bot can see that it's just a bookmark and don't have to come back here just to read"bookmarked" "Tagged" is a new one on me too. But I'm familiar with "Moron Factor". I'm part of that equation some of the time...lol Tom

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I'm part of that equation some of the time I must have blinked and missed that Hawkfyr, can't say I've ever noticed.

lol..You've been in the staff forums at the 3DC Questor,I'm sure you have seen it there... 8 ) Tom

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Nope. Not that I recall. I remember you being very self effacing and sometimes more apologetic for your comments than you needed to be, but mostly I remember you being an honest, friendly guy who was great fun to talk to. We all make fools of ourselves sometimes but very few people are prepared to stand and admit it. You always did. I respect that in a person same as I respect someone who's outgoing and friendly. You always were. Moron factor? No, just an ordinary guy mostly having fun, often at his own expense.

Hmmm... no reply to this yet?? Damn, I want to know what this means. Jack

xoconostle gets the prize!!! Clip----------- "Tagging" in this context sounds to me sort of like what "trolling" is on Usenet. If anyone doesn't know, that means posting a deliberately provocative post for no better reason than to upset people. Roughly. Trolls usually don't actually care about the issues, they just want to get a reaction and feel superior or powerful because they actually pushed some buttons. It's pretty lame. End clip--------------------------------

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So why not just say "trolling", since it's a term that most people know and is easily found by those who don't? And one that is actually in the TOS?

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This is my unofficial opinion on it. Trolling is doing things like going through people's galleries and harassing them or posting lots of threads emotionally provocative threads. (I'm not talking Nekkid Vic threads.) It's a first strike sort of deal. Tagging is putting irrelevant, inflamatory remarks in the middle or end of already existing threads. If I went through all the OT threads, regardless of content and posted, "Oh, and Spike sucks!" that would be tagging. (Sorry, Spike, you made for an easy target!) ;-) Personally, I see Trolling as Stalking, while Tagging is like grafitti'ing. Again, just my opinion. I'm not speaking for any one else here on this one. I've been running around, getting stuff done for another forum or I would have wandered in and started opinionating sooner. Cheers!

Thank you Crescent. That's about the first coherent explanation I've seen. Makes sense too. Well, finally I've got a clue what tagging in the forums is. I can go to sleep, peaceful in the knowledge that my day has been enriched. Seriously though, thanks Crescent, that explanation actually sounds plausible. :)

And I got a clear answer that makes sense, and Crescent is pretty much right on the mark. It likens a common forum behavior to the graffiti mentioned at the top of this thread, and: "In this case the member in question was "tagging" threads concerning poser 5. Not replying to them in a legitimate way, but spamming them." Now can we relax?

Do we honestly need new vocabulary web-word added the the TOS? Call a spade a spade and a troll a troll.

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Oh boy, I win the prize? Is it sort of like that nice big prize Jimmy Carter just won? ;-) Seriously, thanks to Spike and others for the clarifications. This thread piqued my curiosity. I guess my only other comment is that we should be careful not to label people as "taggers" unless the alleged tagger is an obvious repeat offender (or warez enthusiast) just as surely as we shouldn't label people "morons" for venting unpopular opinions. I tend to agree with Kendra, but I do see the intended distinction between "tagger" and "troll." Don't you just hate it when those weird flying things around Area 51 turn out to be nothing more than experimental aircraft, made by humans?

you get threads like this one....! poof oops....

Yet another meaningless rule from the control freaks that run this pl Bzzzzzztttttt! poof

Ok, I don't really know, but here's a theory that has not been presented ... Could it be when someone adds a link to their post that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but merely as FREE advertising or some such nonesense? -Tim

Okay, here's another theory ...

Posting a thread TITLE that is extremely incendiary or provoking, which is also COMPLETELY FALSE ... the thread has nothing to do with the title.

With the sole intent, of course, to get people to read a thread that they normally wouldn't have even blinked at, let alone read.

If that is not it, they need to come up with a term for that and enforce it. Personally, I call it "being a jackass" but I doubt that would fly. You could shorten it to BAJING ... hee-hee! :) -Tim

no no no you're all wrong, it's finding a nice long thread & typing things like "b/m, bookmark" in them, oh heck now I'm going to get the email from hell :(

So far, I like Crescent's explanation. I hope that's the right one. It makes the most sense and it a policy I can live with.

Err... nice try Spike.

Give a dog a bad name, and hang him.

Maybe you can extend the TOS:
Blogging, logging and jogging are violations of the TOS.

Now if someone posts a nonconform message he was blogging, logging or even jogging and...

poof

I'm with Mab on this. I think Crescent's explanation is entirely plausible and fits within the scenario that "tagging" was applied to. The accused in this case had been "spraying grafitti" across several threads, marking several Poser 5 related threads with his opinion on the software. Not entirely sure that it warranted a warning because it is his opinion and while he has been militant posting complaints he's not been insulting nor has he attacked anybody nor has he really been particularly controversial. But, yep... he did hit several threads and add to them with a post that was likely to get a response. I like Crescent's explanation it makes sense. I'm also inclined to think that the other moderator in this was heavy handed and unnecessarily vague and off-hand about clearing the confusion - probably didn't know what it mean it just sounded cool. He read it in mod forum once maybe. :)

"I'm also inclined to think that the other moderator in this was heavy handed and unnecessarily vague and off-hand about clearing the confusion - probably didn't know what it mean it just sounded cool. He read it in mod forum once maybe. :)" Awwww... now they're gonna lock the thr poof

LOL. I doubt they'll lock the thread yet. More than likely just hope that it'll die on it's own. I'm not convinced of that as there are other issues at hand that haven't been answered. The definition of "tagging" has been, to my satisfaction anyway. Now we just need to find another moderator to browbeat into sharing relevant information about stuff. Crescent may have set a very dangerous precedent. I don't know about anyone else here but I'm not used to straight answers from Renderosity moderators. :)

Questor > Now we just need to find another moderator to browbeat into sharing relevant information about stuff. I hold him, you beat his brows. ;) j/k, I would never personal attack someone at Renderosity, that would be against the Holy TOS. ;P

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{we are told that "tagging" is an offense against the TOS (but not mentioned anywhere in the TOS, BTW),} Haven't you checked today's version of the TOS? It changes so often. One person will get a "talking to" about an issue, but another person won't. One mod will say something is "bad", but another will let it slide. One merchant will get "in trouble" for "advertising", but a top-selling merchant will not. But, again, this is a private site, so any cries of "censorship" won't work. The owners can allow what they want (or delete what they don't like) at their own discretion.

Yep, kind of like getting pulled over for speeding. Sometimes you get a ticket, sometimes you get a warning. We have to treat each and every one on it's own merits.

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"In this case the member in question was "tagging" threads concerning poser 5. Not replying to them in a legitimate way, but spamming them." Uhm, so now the staff will be deciding what comments are "legitimate"? So by that definition anytime a thread is potentially taken off it's original subject it is "tagging" "But, again, this is a private site, so any cries of "censorship" won't work. The owners can allow what they want (or delete what they don't like) at their own discretion. " So true, it's just frustrating when these things aren't in the TOS and that same TOS is used like a battering ram to beat someone into line. But if you don't like the unspoken rules one can always leave or take a hiatus - maybe by the time you come back they will have decided exactly what they are against/for. BTW - I wonder did any other mods know the meaning of this or that it was a violation - or did a certain someone simply have a snit fit and decide it annoyed him so he should make it a violation on his own? Was it discussed prior to it happening as a problem and violation?

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A few areas of the TOS apply in this case: 1. Members and users are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that is constructive and respectful of others at all times. 2. Any practices that affect the normal operations of the community (Admins will take whatever steps are necessary to restore service). 3. Destructive commentary/communications made with the intent to disrupt or attack (Trolling). This applies to any communications within this community, whether in the forums, art galleries, graffiti wall, chat, or IM. 4. As a member/user of Renderosity, it is your responsibility to know, and adhere to the Terms of Service. Trolling, Tagging, call it what you want, the name is not the point here, it's what he was doing.

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Spike, do admins and mods count as members? Because then those 4 points would apply to them too.

Yes they do. If you have a problem with a Mod or Admin, please contact Tammy. admin@renderosity.com Att: Tammy Thanks Spike

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Thanks Spike.
I don't run to mummy with every little problem. ;)
Right now it is good enough for me that the TOS is a great equalizer.

"4. As a member/user of Renderosity, it is your responsibility to know, and adhere to the Terms of Service." Apparently it's our job to anticpiate changes in and intuit the unwritten "rules" of the TOS, as well.

We did not change any rules. Like I said, Trolling, Tagging, call it what you want, the name is not the point here, it's what he was doing. Before everyone jumps on this bandwaggon, This is over! Crescent cleared it up...

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I am not going to let this thread get to the same point the last one did. If you have a problem with a Mod or Admin, please contact Tammy. admin@renderosity.com Att: Tammy Locked

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