I have gotten the eyes to show, thanks for that tip. My next problem is the lashes. I uses a dual material transparency... I used lashes map from zygote and a inverse of it as a trasparency (reason is to get gray lashes instead of pure white, inversed it in adobe). I want more natural color, but whenever I boost color I get a bleed of color into the trasparency. Is there a way to get natural color where the grey lashes are at and keep transparecy? Here is a side by side of the lashes with one material (pure white) and the dual material (grey). Again thanks to all that post great images and answers to winded questions... Jason

Sorry but if you didn't catch the original post then this is being done in Bryce4

Jason: The eyes looks great. From where did you get the texture for them? It is easy to get other colors at the lashes. Look at the texture template comes from Zygote. Color up the parts in your texturemap where the lashes are (i.e. grey). Then use the transmap for it in Bryce or Poser. Chris

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Can't figure out what you're up to with 'dual transparency' trick. You can set the lashes to be any colour you like using the normal transparency settings you might use for transmapped hair. Either set the diffuse channel in basic colour mode, or paint the part of the head texture map that the eyelash trans map points to, the colour you want. I can't believe I paid 25 dollars for this 'photorealistic' texture map. Not only is there nothing but white on the map for the eyelash trans map to point at, the bloody thing doesn't even fir properly (check down the insides of the legs). Photorealistic for an adult woman means pubic hair. If this is a 'family' figure, Zygote should have said. I think the figure is very good, and excellent value for money. But the texture map is incomplete, and annoys the hell out of me everytime I see it. And I can't even use the bump maps in Bryce 'cos they're in 'bum' format instead of being a regular bitmap. I hope the update for the texture map addresses these points.

oops... ok, the eyetexture is from Zygote... I think I forgot to use transparence on my eyes :-) Chris

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