I toally scrapped the mesh from the 1st post of the violator character I was doing as it just wasn't looking like him...if you look at the 1st one you can see that he hsa a lower part of his face...while Violator's mouth in reality starts right below his eyes..... any way started again last night and this is what I have so fat (about 6hrs in total) Working on definition now, that why only his face looks passable, and his torso is getting there... Comments threats bribes etc.............. PS yes this is still going to be a freebee, not too sure abotu the poserfying portion I may have to get some outside help. :)

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