Found out that some merchants got a sort-of apology from Tim as a flier in their checks, while others did not. Someone want to fill the rest of us in on this, or are present and former merchants who are not part of the top-seller list beneath notice thse days? /P

hmm interesting development definately..

Looks that way: Cribbed from the Poser Pro's re-post: Mail out form letter apology wrote: "...We apologize if our method of implementing this new policy caused you any concern, uncertainity or discomfort. It is our hope that we've established enough credibility in our past dealings with you, to be given an opportunity to continue serving you and helping you succeed. We understand that your success IS our success. Thanks, The Renderosity Admin Team" And it has that lovely personal touch that only a form letter gives, too. ;]

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

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" or are present and former merchants who are not part of the top-seller list beneath notice thse days?" Not taking anything away from the other merchants/vendors but you may have something there

In a world filled with causes for worry and anxiety...
we need the peace of God standing guard over our hearts and minds.
 
Jerry McCant

Well, as my other username does not work anymore,.... OMG, This is it,! It must be a conspiracy! Next thing ya know they will be sending out flowers and chocolates. We cant have that. People need to get a life here! You all bitch and complain about how bad they are and how they dont care, then they send out a sorry letter and now you bitch about that? Grow up! Dick

" You all bitch and complain about how bad they are and how they dont care, then they send out a sorry letter and now you bitch about that?" But not everyone got an apology letter. I think that's the point

In a world filled with causes for worry and anxiety...
we need the peace of God standing guard over our hearts and minds.
 
Jerry McCant

Quote: "Snicker." Endquote.

It's a rather simple question - no conspiracy involved at all. Just a question. Not sure who or what "Richard Cranium" is a clone of, but it isn't really a gripe; just an observation. I was just curious as to what it said. I assume Micheleh, from your response, you're responding as an official member of Renderosity, and given your flippant answer, I am correct in my assesment that merchants are no longer to be treated equally? I find it odd that you would treat the majority of your merchants this way, to be honest. I guess that pulling my store, pitiful as it was, was the moral thing to do after all. I wish you and Renderosity luck in the coming months... you'll likely need it. /P

LOL! I haven't been official since August. I was merely paraphrasing the famous Ironbear response to ambigous situations. Seriously, though, I have been shaking my head at the tactless and rude way the "official" responses have been handled, and coming from the retired queen of foot in mouth, that's going some. I don't agree at all with the new rule, or the way it has been handled. My now sideline opinion. No offense to you personally, Penguinisto.

LOL - no prob; I had that coming... I completely forgot you jumped the ship awhile back. No offense taken, espcially since it was my fault in the first palce. OTOH, I do wonder where the PTB are on this... even the usually vociferous tutone1234 is nowhere to be seen. I was kind of hoping for some sort of answer on this one, if nothing else the transcript of the letter that was sent. /P

Nah. Micheleh's not a "Them" any more. Ummm.... does that make her an "Us", and "Undecided", or a "One of the people who no longer GAF"? ;]

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• Monkeysmell

Penguinisto, you agree that we would not send a check to you this month since the amount was low, so a letter wasn't sent to you. Some merchants are paid by PayPal, so they haven't been an email letter yet, and then there were a few that had already left so I didn't see a point in sending them a letter since they weren't merchants anymore. If you were only curious, why not just email the question instead of trying to get people fired up again in the forum? I knew someone would "make" this into an issue, but I wasn't expecting it to be you.

 

Pengy nor I nor Stormrage nor others "made" it an issue, Jeny. It is an issue, and it was made one by Renderosity's handling of the situation, as any number of people have been saying all along. I'm sorry that you're not seeing that. I'm not sorry that someone posted their letter elsewhere to be quoted, not that Penguinisto brought the subject up here.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

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"I knew someone would "make" this into an issue, " hmm it was going to be an issue since it wasn't sent out to everyone even those who opted out.. you should have sent it to EVERYONE not just those who are left. Again this was handled wrong. it should have been a public and private apology. Not just to a few but to everyone who was involved with the store. ohh and just because it fell by the wayside doesn't mean it stopped being an issue. It's going to remain an issue..

Lurking some more. It's getting so hard to just lurk these days.....my wings keep getting jammed in the doors.

JenyK: "I knew someone would "make" this into an issue, but I wasn't expecting it to be you." Until the Renderosity admins understand that their merchants, their customers, their members are the ones bringing up these concerns, then they will continue to blame the "peepees" (the R'osity admin's private nickname for PoserPros folks) for all their troubles, rather than facing the truth that some of their own policies of late have not been that popular.

some please use the F word really loudly? I would except I don't even have any products.

"that some of their own policies of late have not been that popular. " It's the "of late" that has me rolling out of my chair laughing, Russ. You been taking diplomacy lessons? ;]

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• Monkeysmell

Heh, didn't mean to sound like my tie was too tight there Bear. ;) I've been mostly silent through this, and am just getting tired of being the blame for all that ills them. They are starting to sound like the little weakling being picked on by the school bully. The rhetoric is getting old and tiresome.

Shame on ya'll, you big ferocious site mosnter for beating up on the little geeky kid site. Tsk tsk.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

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F! Loud enough, Slynky? ;]

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

This is my favorite playground. My mom says she will make P&B sandwiches for anyone who comes over to play at my house.

Depends upon what the "P" & "B" stand for. :0P

"peepees" ?? First I've heard that :-) Don't mind me, I just walked by.

hey jeff.. you might want to change that statement.. and clean house too..

Change what statement? I've never heard that phrase before now, it did make me chuckle.

guess he doesn't know yet Storm :-(

"...We apologize if our method of implementing this new policy caused you any concern, uncertainity or discomfort" Damn, I guess us 'low man on the totem pole' members shouldnt have been concerned either... Momma always said "Two wrongs don't make a right"... :| Continues to grumble to herself as she moves to the next thread

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Guess I don't know alot of things. It's not my business to gather gossip and the like.

Too much work, too little time in a day.

pam.. nope.. Russ got it down before Jeff could probably see it..

Yeah, I just saw that it has been removed, good job on that.

I deleted as even that little bit of data can be inflammatory, which was not the intention.

Pam...Definately.. We definately don't need more to add to the "flame war here" Unfortunantly.. Jeff.. needed to know statements like that can be caught..

though in truth, if the thread "leaked" is the worst in the admin forum ( which it stands to reason it would be for causing disruption ) then that actually speaks volumes for the admins here.

Okay I know a bit more now. No admin from here posted that screen shot.

Jeny: I realize that the timing may have been weird, and no, I wasn't expecting a letter myself. OTOH, why not just make it a public apology and be done with it? Why the secrecy? Was it at least posted on the Merchants' Private forum? Yes I could've e-mailed the question, but then, I'm not the only one asking here, and it is a question that affects all merchants. I'm honestly not out to raise the rabble, but since the mistakes Tim made were fairly public, why should the apology, such as it may have been, not also be made public? And yes, it was me who asked... I'm not above claiming ignorance, and I'm not above asking about it as a member of the community, out in the open. Ma'am, I would hope that folks would ask me questions about my actions openly and honestly, and by any means they feel comfortable with, and I would certainly do my level best to answer them in the same fashion. I'm a mere mod at Faeriewylde right now (and no I don't want to know the little nickname your compatriots may or may not have given us - I can already formulate them well enough now, thanks much.) Thorne, myself, Isaac, Angeilyn... we keep admin policies as open and as transparent as possible, and with no punches pulled - we just find nice ways of saying the news if it's bad. It prevents the usual raft of conspiracy theories. No, we don't have a store there, but then, even if we did, I doubt Thorne would get all secretive and political about how the site is run. Also notice that by asking out in the open, a straight answer in the open (or even just a reprint of what was posted in the letter) would prevent all these theories from flying amongst the black helicopter crowd. In all fairness, I'm actually presenting you with a golden opportunity to present things in the light of day. Jeff: No offense, but it sucks to be you if that screenie was what I think it was... :) Jaqui's right, though... if the worst that happens is that you make up names for competing sites, then it can't be all that evil in there (I'm curious, though - what name do y'all call DAZ?)

I don't make up names for anyone if that's what you're asking.

Dude, the part I wrote to you was in jest... and I meant "you" in the plural sense, so please don;t think I'm pointing fingers at anyone in particular here. Besides - I already know you and R'osity are in it with the Illuminati-Freemason-NWO trilateral comision anyways, but your secret is safe with me. :) /P

feck - typo: "commission" That does it - I'm going to bed.

"peepee", as I read it, is phonetic for PP; as in the PP vs RR posts in the Merchant Policy change threads. Of course, I did not see the alleged screenshot, so it could have literally been "peepee" too. ;0)

The "PeePee" nickname for PoserPros folks has been floating around for many months. I first heard about it in mid summer.

Ah, so it was literal? And here I was givig the "benefit of the doubt". I guess a level of "nebieness" does have its inherent disadvantages.

givig/giving* nebieness/newbieness* sheesh.. :injects caffeine IV and sets on high:

Hmm, so those of us, who put their money back into Renderosity via store credit and don't have enough for a check, can expect an email?

...... Kendra

JenyK, just a quick question from an observer: How could you know someone would make an issue out of this? Unless of course you knew that people were not being treated equally and merchants would talk to each other and find out that the apologies (such as it was) did not go out to all merchants. Since if it was an oversight or a delay in mail, then you would be suprised by the reaction, not expecting it. Food for thought. JDexter

Russel, the word 'peepees' was used here for a very short time in the past to refer to Poser Pros I'm sorry to admit, but that usage was very quickly stopped as being in poor taste and is no longer, to the best of my knowledge, used by any of us even in jest. Certainly not amongst us mods and I'd be very surprised if the admins used it any more either. Kevin.

JeffH wrote: "Okay I know a bit more now. No admin from here posted that screen shot." so, then, who did? were you hacked? was it a "watergate" type burglary? or, could there be a very unhappy insider, running amok? or, wait, yet, again...could one of the admins be letting friends in on the confidential stuff? this stuff is getting so interesting, i'm about ready to see if the enquirer might be interested, now that winona ryder and robert blake are old news

Poppi.. I would rather see it dropped then learn more about this site's inner conflicts and intrigues..

i said this, he said that, you said the other, let's all just get f'in nekkid in a blow up plastic pool and play full contact Marco Polo.

Abraham said this, Moses said that, Jesus hit me with the wiffle ball bat.

Well as a member in good standing at BOTH Poser Pros and Renderosity I must say I am insulted by being refered to as PEE PEE . Thats something a 5 year old might say. I also think all the members of this site should have recieved an apology. We were ALL effected by the changes made toward the merchants in one way or an other. It would be nice if there was a symbiotic respect between the PTB and the membership but I guess that will never be. No profit in it?

No profit at all, SPirit. ;]

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"...if the thread "leaked" is the worst in the admin forum..." Somehow I sincerely doubt that.

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Well Spiritbro, at least you're not a "3dCommie"... (chuckle) ('course, there is irony in Scott's image... guess who built the crapper?) /P

Actually Peng I am a member there as well.lol I dont spend as much time there as I would like but do pop in on occasion. They have a great PSP forum that Trevor runs.

...lift the lid next time - there's morph dials on that thing to do that, y'know. /P

Is 3D Commie what they call us poor folks at the 3D Commune? Well I guess we should expect the same treatment as everyone else. See now who's complaining about favouritism? I was starting to feel that we weren't important enough to sling mud at.

So does that make me a Pee Pee Commie Rosity Rat?

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Beat being a PeePee Commie Fairy (moi), huh?

Any sites with the word Pinko in them them we could be pinko commies.

First paragraph from the letter, enclosed with this month's payment: Renderosity implemented a new policy on November 1st that effects [sic, should be "affects"] a very small number of merchants -- about six merchants." (I'm not even going to address the issue of the using the grammatically correct word "effects" vs "affects" in a professional letter.) The point is: if this "new policy" only affected "six merchants", why was it made public... and so badly? Shouldn't these 6 people have been sent a private e-mail telling them about the upcoming change? And then the issue could have been discussed (in private) between them and the admins? Instead, the issue was forced upon everyone, without notice and without explanation. Sides were drawn, vendors got upset, people removed their products and galleries, etc. However, further down in the letter is an apology from the admin team. So, maybe it's time to accept the apologies from the Admin Team and move on? --John

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I am neither a peepee (I'm sure mehndi herself would have pobjections to me being considered an important member of that site ;-D ) nor a 3Dcommie - but I take offense to the comment that I "yap" For the record, I may moan, and occasionally whimper - sometimes I even scream "Oh GOD" - but I have never "yapped" and the only "snapping" I do is technically nipping or biting. If ya don't like the light, then don't poke your head out of teh hole... ;-D

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3DCommies?!? LMAO. Hey better red than dead ;) Janet Otremba (aka Jade, jade_nyc) 3DCommie Admin

"However, further down in the letter is an apology from the admin team. So, maybe it's time to accept the apologies from the Admin Team and move on?"

Only if every merchant receives this.

...... Kendra

"Renderosity implemented a new policy on November 1st that effects a very small number of merchants -- about six merchants." So? How many merchants are they allowed to screw over before we're officially allowed to get upset? 10? 20? 50? 100?

I don't mind being a 3D Commie. Just let me dust off my statue of Lenin and break out my Vodka. I've been called worse things in life and even had people try to burn me at the stake. Either way this whole thing turns out, I'm just in for the ride and will always keep in mind that this is just a website and if I really don't like something I'll just disconnect.

I don't mind being a 3D Commie... Just glad I don't work at "Kinderosity" ROFLMAO.....

ut oh. The cats outta the bag now... Your giving away our secret spy decoder ring codes Jackie 8 )~ Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

i know, from the get go...week one, i never got a straight answer here. first ?....there was a merchant render on each side of mine, we all got the same number of hits...why were the 2 merchant renders put into the hot 20, and, not mine....answer...why, my dear...the papa-joe-greasey dicks of the internet chose YOUR render to do "repeat" clicks on. whilst those of the merchants one each side were "original" viewings. so, like, from the beginning i knew i could be dealing with money grubbing lying scummers.... question #2...why is c&d eliminated off the face of the internet? wouldn't it be interesting if we could go back and see r'osity history....various and sundry replies, when i got 'em....mostly, twas this...but, my dear, we are opening a new forum...you will just love it....we call it the OT forum. what was not said was: we will move any post that we really can't come up with a reason for locking over there. that way we can bury it before it is dead. then there was the ? about one of my images getting severely degraded when r'sity was changing servers...gettin' ready for that content paradise we are all eagerly awaiting. it was moved to o.t., as usual...there audre told me, upon her analysis i MUST HAVE uploaded it that way. right....it had 20 or so comments, was voted a 10, and NO-ONE HAD ENOUGH OF AN EYE TO NOTICE IT...of course, i trusted her. she's a mod, and, must be right, yes? but, chill, you all. why? 'cause this is a learning site, now. i KNOW THIS FOR A FACT....an admin told me. peepees, indeed!!! that term was beneath my kids when they were 3.

Hey Poppi, stop stealing our spotlight, we're onto the 3D Commies now. No Fair. PoserPros is hogging all the attention. Angel Michael 3D Commune Moderator.

okay, i'm real sorry. i'll behave.

Join Us! Join Us! Join Us! Yuu can love us and the peepees too! p.s. Would you like some salt with that foot?

Spirit Bro, So does that make me a Pee Pee Commie Rosity Rat? no, it make you a pinkopeepee3DCommie spy. ~wink~ hmm, maybe I should hit the three sites I don't have a membership at and sign up..then they can hit me with all the names. RDNA, PFO, and fairywilde got room for another member?

Ok I skipped thru most of this. Question: Jeny / Jeff - Will ALL merchants get a letter or just select few ? Cause realize it or not, your decisions drove customers away too. So I just want to know that. This threads looking political by the way the questions are being 'answered'.

Jai, since you skimmed the thread you might not have realised there was quite a hooha that cropped up in the middle of this thread so I don't think you're gonna get any further answers from staff regarding the original subject. Hope that helps... you're just gonna have to email staff for an answer. :/ (The "hooha" was a screenshot from the rosity admin forum that got posted at poserpros forum by some anonymous member... had a few choice quotes from admin here that didn't look favourable...)

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a sweet disorder in the dress kindles in clothes a wantoness,
do more bewitch me than when art is too precise in every part

See what I mean. There they go again, those damn Poser Pros stealing the spotlight from us 3D Commies.

runs out to Spotlights'R'Us

And I should think so. There just aren't enough spotlights for all us winging, attention grabbing bastards.

NEED MORE LIGHT!

Well, all I can say is that I'm so happy I'm none of the above. You have no idea what a relief it is to be a moderate right wing leftist from the far centre and not associated at all with peepees, 3dcommie pinko spies or much of anything else. :)

With appologies to Alain Boublil and Claude-Michel Schonberg Merchants: Do you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men? It is the music of the merchants Who will not be slaves again! When the beating of your heart Echoes the beating of the drums A way of life is about to end When Contents Paradise comes. Evil Empire: Will you give all you can give So that our profits may advance? Some will fall and some will live Will you stand up and take your chance? The blood of the merchants Will water the meadows of France!

-Pokes Questor- Ok...I'll play devils Advocate for a minute here...(cringe) First, lemme just say that anyone who thinks it's easy being a Mod - or Admin - in one of these communities...is in serious need of some education. Alot of shit goes on in private forums...it has to...it's the only place we have to vent. WE (Site admins & such)don't have the luxury of going out in public forums spouting off at trolls, and flamers..we have to be relatively buisnesslike...(ugh...I just said THAT?)Why? Because way off in our little forums, we're planning contests, working in the store, trying to entice advertizers...and keep the site going...no money, no site. Greed? Not my call, but unless I am uninformed...(Some)People here at "R" have real offices, and get paid... So yea, "R" is a buisness....and they want to STAY in business...wouldn't you? If you don't like what they DO, then go away...create your OWN site, where YOU make the rules...then tell everyone how EASY it is....its really that simple, because in the grand scheme of things, you aren't going to change it by screaming, and flaming. Find a form where you are comfortable...ask for change in a calm sensible manner, and you might get somewhere...AND on the same note...Admins/Mods need to respond...with more than one sentence....or by moving the thread to OT...because then it LOOKS like you don't care. With 100,000 some odd members between us,( R, PPros, 3DC, etc,,,) there is NO WAY to make everyone happy, and there is NO WAY to know exactly what is the best thing to do/say at any given moment. Every few months or so, there is another "event" that sparks a flamewar or two...Life goes on. It's been happening in these forums for years...and I doubt very much that will change any time soon...get used to it...learn to laugh at it...Listen to Legume....he is wize. LOL Ok...that's it. removes nose.

For those of you who don't know...I'm an admin over at 3DC.. Am I upset about the comments in the disappearing screenshot? Nope.....hence my comment in post #72.... :P

He just wants ta play.... Blinks at Jackie... and pokes back. :) ps: I try never to listen to Legume. That guy is dangerous. *smirk*

"...there is NO WAY to know exactly what is the best thing to do/say at any given moment.' Maybe not, but you can be pretty sure that calling members morons and whiners and saying "Screw 'em" just might not be it. It's not just a little venting. They keep coming up with new stupid policies to strike out at people, acting on these words. Therefore, those words become far more important than they would be otherwise. As far as the "if you don't like it, leave" bullshit I keep hearing spouted again and again, it's like this: I pretty much have. But I've been here for two years, invested a lot of time in this place, and it pisses me off to be forced out just because a few assholes go on a power trip. I may not be able to do anything about it, but I'm damn sure not going quietly. In fact, there's a big misconception here, that this is "their" site. "They" may own the hardware and the software, but they wouldn't be shit with out the members. What good is a gallery if no one posts pictures there? What good is a Free Stuff section if no one posts freebies there? What good are a gaggle of forums if no one posts there? All those pictures are ours. All of those forum posts are ours. All of that free stuff is ours. The tutorials are ours, it's our products they are selling in the Marketplace, it's OUR site! Tim could sell this place this afternoon, but what would he really be selling? An empty shell. WE own everything here of any real value, and it's time they realized that. Hell, it's time WE realized that.

I agree perfectly, Jackie. It ain't easy pleasing everyone, and no, I'm not mad about it either... I would almost be disappointed if they hadn't done it. IMHO, the screenshot was posted as a distraction, and the biggest irony of it all is, the reason why was right there on the screenie. After all, it is far easier to be badmouthed over minor crap like mods acting juvenile, than to be badmouthed over big stuff like the CEO overtly getting caught screwing his own merchants, and then caught lying about his reasons why. OTOH, getting back to your point, wouldn't it be easier (and better to the reputation) to give a straightforward answer than to hide it behind a ton of misleading answers and thinly veiled CYA when called on it? Because that is exactly what happened in R'osity's case.

Well X2....remember way back when 3DC was created & that mass "exodus" was going to be the end of "Rosity"? It wasn't. Ya see...if everyone "Leaves" and comes back...and leaves....and comes back...there must be a greater number of "Thems" than "We's"....there are new members here everyday...and sure, there are the (Insert number) of folks who are disillusioned...but not very many stick to their guns...and leave forever (even you, by your own words...fot that matter..."I" still come here & rant..LOL))...this is true everywhere. Members created this site...but it has been a long time since "Rosity" was completely member-supported. Not trying to flare anything up here...but They have capitol...Now...if EVERYONE was to pull out of the store, and EVERYONE was to stop posting, I'm sure it would send a message...but this never happens....& won't happen. There are (very few) members in these forums crying foul, and leaving...if you compare it to the actual number of active members... Like I said...just sticking my nose in...I like being a Commie...I live there...work there, shop there...and nowhere else...because it IS member supported. We don't always do the popular thing over there....its tough...but we try. It isn't easy.

We crossed..."OTOH, getting back to your point, wouldn't it be easier (and better to the reputation) to give a straightforward answer than to hide it behind a ton of misleading answers and thinly veiled CYA when called on it? Because that is exactly what happened in R'osity's case." Yup. :)

"We don't always do the popular thing over there....its tough...but we try." Ah, and the trying is the important part. Here, I just don't see them trying anymore. And no, for the record, I'm not stupid or naive enough to say that R'osity's going to topple. But if it maintains its present administration with their present attitude, I do think it's simply going to rot, die a slow, lingering death. NO ONE is invincible. I mean, who ever though K-Mart would go under? It used to be an american institution, now it's wobbling on its last, sickly legs. If it can happen to them... But my main point is that I don't WANT to see that here. I simply want certain people here to pull their heads out of their asses and actually listen to the members once in a while. I WANT to LIKE this place again. As far as the rest, no, you'll never see a mass exodus, but a few here and a few there adds up after a while. Yes, there will be new blood coming in to replace them, but what about QUALITY? How many of these newbies will come in with the knowledge and experience of a Mehndi or a LadySilverMage or whoever? How long will it take them to get that good? WILL they? Ever? "but not very many stick to their guns...and leave forever (even you, by your own words..." I haven't left yet, not really, although I spend less and less time here lately. If I do pull my stuff and leave, though (which I'm very close to doing), I assure you it will be permanent. My stubborness is legendary.;) Of course, that just means I'll be bugging you more over at 3DC, so their loss is your gain, eh? snicker

To be honest, I never said I was leaving... instead I said that I would do what 90% of the membership does in here - lurk and leech. I've completely stopped posting in the Poser forum, but for some reason, I still post here on occasion... I guess that when things die down and hope is finally lost, I'll prolly stop posting here, too :) But no, there's no need to go away... besides, I can tell you right now that it costs R'osity more if you suck down all their bandwidth by posting a zillion images to their gallery, browsing their fora, and in general leeching like a mad dog, than to go away entirely. Meanwhile, I actively encourage the merchants I like to post their goodies in other markets, so I don;t have to buy anything here. x2k is right... R'osity is well on its way to becoming an online CG flea market, and it will eventually die off, slow and sure. Kinda sucks that it has to happen, but what can you do? /P

LadyJ, You are correct in stating that customers are being driven away. I'm one of them. I won't state how much I've spent in the Marketplace here, but if they have just 10 more people like me that are not buying as a silent protest to the way this situation was handled, they're going to realize a serious dent in their bottom line profits in a year's time. A silent protest from one of the so called "silent majority". The only products that I'll buy from here are the ones I can't find anywhere else and even then I'll have to think long and hard about it. I have no problem supporting a member or business site with my purchases, but I'll be damned if I'll support a three-ring circus with hidden agendas and tolereate snide comments and insults from the ringleaders. This last week's fiasco on the part of the site's administration has proven to be the last straw for me.

X2...Point 1 - I agree. :) Point 2..I know you aren't stupid or naive..just making an exaggerated point...AND...I agree...in fact, I could go into that whole thing as it related to many places I've worked at IRL. (unfortunately) Point 3 - Its taken LSM & Mendhi ...and others YEARS...I daresay to get as good as they are. QUALITY...damn important if you want to survive...I agree...but that is another rant I could go on...I deal with Quality issues everyday. (IRL too) Point 4 - I left once...never to return..pulled all of my gallery....and went next door...but..I always lurked...and really enjoyed C&D...and the Tavern....-sigh- the good old days...where's the chex mix eh? X2000...you can bug us all you want. :) Note: Please excuse typos ...I'm used to being able to edit..LOL

Hmm... thread got ditched to OT. I'm not surprised. Ah well. /P

Oh nevermind.

Heh, of course it got moved here, I'm actually rather surprised it lived as long as it did in the other forum. Once upon a time C&D was the dumping ground for all posts that people didn't know what to do with - toss it in there and let them chew it up and spit out the remains. At least it was lively. Seems that OT is the new morgue. Move it, ditch it, bury it, watch it die. Pro-active burial. Thank the spirits this isn't Logan's Run or we'd all be floating around in the air waiting to be vapourised.

I guess that's the sign I was waiting for. My free stuff is still available at 3D Commune, although I'm going to take Renderosibee down and rework him a little, then repost the new and improved version with a new name. And my "x2000's Restaurant" Poser set is available in their marketplace, as well as at Animotions and Renderotica, but it's coming down here just as soon as Clint can delete it.

Unfortunately, in a few months, new artists will not remember any of this and business will flourish here as usual... And with P3 being free on the magz here right now, you KNOW there will be a new flock very soon. Protest is right and good... but it will not hurt Rosity, IMO. :-(

L'ultima fòrza è nella morte.

Did we all feel the eath move, and poof, we're in another forum. Like so many other members here, I too have seen alot go on in the past. I still remember the day back in 1999 when we voted on the name for this site. I've sat throught the PFO to Rosity, Rosity to 3DC.....wars and have even changed usernames once, but in the end I still come here and post ocassionally. It's all in fun to me. I don't agree with everything that has been done here, but the reality is that it can't be undone. We can really only hope that a lesson will be learnt here. I have seen many great artists and contributors leave here as well. I was wondering what ever happened to LadyLight and Vethril, they always use to make me laugh and were good to chat with, but I have also seen many great artists come as well, such as ToxicAngel and skooldaze. I guess my point is that as time goes on the past fades to memory, old friendships die and hopefully new friendships flourish. We will continue to learn and evolve as artists and I'm sure in years to come there will be so many community sites that we won't know where to go. In the meantime let's enjoy the ride, stoke up the ocassional fire and keep being inspired to do better as artists and members. I love these little flaming sessions on ocassion, it helps clear the air and relieve the stress of our real world lives.

--END OF SERMON-- Angel Michael Long time member here, and 3D Commune Moderator.

"Of course, that just means I'll be bugging you more over at 3DC, so their loss is your gain, eh? snicker" groans loudly j/k x2 ;)

it is the quality issue that is to me the saddest. i used to learn from looking in the gallery. just looking. so many names are gone in the last 2 years. now, i breeze through the gallery and don't much feel like clicking. i used to be proud to have my stuff up, here....now, no. the old ones leaving and the newbies flocking in, thinking they bought talent in a box, have just changed the flavor of this place....and, no c&d...wow, what does this place have to offer me? I'm real partial to the rhino forum. and, some of the other modelling forums can be interesting too. but, look at how small the modelling galleries are. no big draw, there. looking through the poser gallery the last six months, has been largely so uninspiring, that i have not posted there since late february, or so. and, the poser gallery was the big draw. i agree that this place is turning into a big flea market. me, i will continue to prowl, here, until the day comes....and, it will....that there is nothing left to see. then, i'll move on down the road, too.

"We can really only hope that a lesson will be learnt here. " - Angel Michael. Whatever the lesson is, it won't be learned.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

once upon a time...not even a year ago, i wanted an apology for being called "poopi". y'all may remember that, from a thread in c&d. i did not get one. now, the term "peepee" is being thrown around....and, folks are getting angry at being referred to as peepees. folks are not feeling like their right to a dignity of some sort is being taken seriously....so, they are not given apologies. i don't really know, is the pot any better than the kettle? you are correct, ib...no one learned. it seems to be the old same ol same ol, just shifting.

Err, I'm really sorry, but if the best teh staff can do is "peepee" and "poopi", holy sh!t... (sorta like a 3rd Grader, yes? /P

bleah - phone went off... did I mention that telemarketers suck? /P

"i wanted an apology for being called "poopi". y'all may remember that, from a thread in c&d. i did not get one. " hmm? i thought "y'all" kissed and made up? :)

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