I must say I find this site more and more depressing. It's supposed to be a site for artists to share their experiences and knowledge. To be able to display their work to their peers and hopefully have positive feedback but all it seems to be becoming now is the Market Place and very little else matters. Once was the time when members gave away their freestuff and everyone benifited. Now the Poser gallery, in particular, is full of dull images advertising the latest piece of expensive trash. The Poser forum is rammed with adverts even though there are specific forums and galleries for this. Ladies you would be better off buying a bar of chocolate to ease your frustrations than spending your surplus dollars buying unregulated garbage.

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Deja vu all over again. Couldn't we at least have a new topic instead of running this one into the ground over and over again?

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Oh, and then there is this thread. Second verse same as the first. I'm sure there's more. Me bored now.

you either: 1 - think that your rant will change everything, people will take their incredibly good art out of their drawers and finaly upload it, 2 - are into sm and want to get flamed, 3 - are troll, 4 - are way better then all of us. neither of it makes me think nice of you.

And that's about all I have to say on this matter....

Like My Dad always says "If you don't like what's on change the channel" (Dont go away angry, just go away.)

Ask me a question, and I'll give you an answer.

dialyn even someone with a limited understanding of the English language should be able to understand that this is a different topic but thanks for the links to the other threads. aleks I'm afraid to say say that you are incorrect in all of your four points. Try again. Very eloquent, nikitacreed. Is that your gif? galactron22, Is the 22 yourIQ?

Fortunately I learned a long time ago not to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed enemy. The theme of all the threads is your need for attention. You got your fix for the month. We're terribly awed. Yawn.

Ah the whit of an idiot...OK pay attention, first of all that gif is not under my name, and second,I'm in really bad mood right now, Tisa You appear to be an only child who craves the attention of others, maybe because your parents didn't love you enough. If you want to be one of these starving artists, go right ahead, but don't even try to impose your Nazi/Communist attitude on the fine members of this community, you are a pompous idiot, and should be kicked out on you ASS!....Nuff said.

Ask me a question, and I'll give you an answer.

It's rather amusing how you can manage to contradict yourself so thoroughly only two sentences.

Nikita Love the GIF.

Ask me a question, and I'll give you an answer.

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Thanks! I am rather fond of it. *heh* You can find it and many more like it for people not worth actually conversing with here. *heh*

galactron22 Thankyou for your inteligent response. Maybe, however, you should read the TOS because it may well be you that gets "kicked out on you ASS"

You know what, I'm not going to dignify this with a reponse , good day.

Ask me a question, and I'll give you an answer.

Hi Tisa! Don't listen to all those meanies. They're just jealous. They WISH they had a life like you. I'll be your friend! You say that you find this site more and more depressing, right? Doctor Xoco's prescription: Visit this site less and less. You'll feel scads better. Don't look at the forums. They've been corrupted by ads. Don't look at the galleries. All they are is ads for unregulated bantha fodder, anyway. Sheesh. Any moron with Poser can do the Nekkid Temple thang. "Art," yeah righ. Pfffft! Tisa, you should probably ignore Free Stuff, because members aren't sharing anything there, anymore. Buy yourself a bar of chocolate. Go on, you deserve it! Be of good cheer, you can beat The Diminished Beast "Renderosity." It isn't what it once was. We newbie-ish pseudo-artists are ruining it. Yep, you've figured this tired old yard out. I'm staying behind to gyre and gimble in the wabe as the mome raths outgrabe, but I do wish you the best on your journey on beyond that gawdawful ol' Rosity place! Toodles! :-)

damn, i hate forums... so even being in here is a contradiction... colour me femme, hey? bored at work this arvo and read through the abovementioned posts, and gosh, I was actually quite interested and curious about the whole thing... well, in a rather morbid sense, i spose... my trouble is is that i agree with just about all the points made by everyone sans the cheap digs and general negative insulting commentaries along the way... i see a lot of what "Tisa" has said as having merit... there truly are an awful lot of renders out there created to show off the latest, greatest hot new upcoming thang... does it render said images as art-less? too subjective a question i imagine... i know my own answer to the question and honestly? i think that that is enough and i don't need to try to answer it or speak it to/for the masses nor attempt to bend "their" opines to my own will... shrug... and i can say that a few "promo" type images of mine along the way were certainly lacking a type of spark, though much to my lament, i did not wish them to end up that way, but they did... [phooey]... but that's neither here nor there... the only question that's truly been asked in this thread by Tisa is if this is an art site? i can only assume that that is actually a rhetorical question as the owners of this site have intended for it to be geared towards art, and it is touted as a "art site", and i don't think that that's been kept a secret anywhere, hmm? and if it IS a joke, my gods, 'sity has spent an awful lot of cash on upgrades, equipment, etc. to pull it off... now whether what exists upon these cyberpages is art or not is an entirely different question, ne? don't jump the gun... let the question be asked first... and no, I was NOT asking... ;)

xoconostle? what a treat you are... put a big smile upon my face with that charming wit of yours... thanks! t'is been one of those icki days and this just picked me right up! :))

Xoco readin you post almost got me out of my somber grieving mood,it made me chuckle, thanx I needed that.

Ask me a question, and I'll give you an answer.

Giana, thanks in return for the smile your kind words brought. I also feel disappointment sometimes when browsing the Poser gallery, which is why I've been trying to compliment some the works I see as being original or extra-thoughtful, lately. Still, I see these forums and the galleries as great enablers, full of value. I appreciate 'em because they're positive for me in the ways they aren't for the originator of this thread. I don't see the point in bashing this site without encouraging some way to do aspect x or y better.

"The theme of all the threads is your need for attention. You got your fix for the month. We're terribly awed. Yawn." LOL

"You know what, I'm not going to dignify this with a reponse , good day." LOL.

WOW! 16 hits without even a trip to the bait shop.;)

You're right Tisa, this site is getting depressing for me too, but for a different reason. For me it's the "pillar" fights and posts like yours. Great; now I'm pissed of at myself for participating in one of them again. I hope the door hits me on the way out.

Ah, the mistress of armpit hair returns to stir up trouble. I do agree that there are a lot of uninspiring images in the Poser gallery lately, but there are many extremely impressive ones as well. Two days ago when I went through the galleries, I was amazed at how many exceptional works had all been posted on the same day. We all had to start as a beginner at some point, including you. If there are so many people here with no talent, then why not make an effort to teach us what you know? I'll certainly be the first one in line to learn more the secrets of excessively airbrushed photocomposition and postworked body hair. ;) SnowS

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

errr I am going to jump in here. The question if this is an art site. Well it sure used to be, but all the recent changes have been geared more towards running the market place. I am sure that nothing is done without benifiting that part first. It seems to me that the gallery is now just an addon to the marketplace. "Buy our stuff, show us what you do with it" . While there is nothing wrong with that, it does lose that certain artist quality. It depends on Renderosity's mission statement I think. IMHO this is just a huge marketplace/fleamarket now. Everyone has jumped on the merchant bandwagon thinking they can make a buck out of something they might have put in freestuff before. It doesn't work like that. Now I don't expect anyone to agree with me and that's ok. But I have to say I do find myself visiting here less and less each time. Nowadays its just to read a few good posts in the forum, namely geeps (doing a wonderful job there). Now if there were more people like that, that would be something huh. Shame that. It sure has changed a lot over time. I will give Renderosity credit for allowing me to meet some great friends here, and those few gems you can pick up now and then.

Exactly Taura. More Geep shots and less Cheap shots. (@#%^^%#. That's twice.)

Tisa, I see Renderosity as a place to discuss issues relevant to Poser. I come each day to learn something and see what everyone is doing. Usually I am greatly entertained and rewarded. Each weekend when I'm away from my computer I return to find over 100 new messages, many of which I find particularly interesting and relevant to me. I have been here a long time and this site has and will continue to evolve in the direction members (with management approval) want it to go. If you would like a new direction I would suggest that you not observe, complain, wine, (choose one) but begin to make it change. Post art that everyone wants to visit and emulate Provide positive feedback to someone else's art Post a free stuff item that is invaluable to all Send a message of thanks to someone who has posted a free stuff item Answer a relevant question Ask a relevant question Share some of your experiences and knowledge If the above can't work for you there may be some other places that would be better for you like PoserPros, 3DCommune, or Poserforum. I'm not being mean, I'm stating a fact.

Not here, or in the real world.

Oh yeah, I don't suggest using chocolate as a crutch, it will soon crumble under your weight.

Grab your stick.

I searched the free stuff and market place... anyone where I can get a stick?

LOL... so THIS is the person trolling my gallery? apparently im not allowed to post images in the poser gallery anymore, since i create just about everything in them. had i read this thread earlier and realised what an irritating little attention-seeking troll tisa was, id not have bothered to dignify her with an answer. nor would i have been as nice as i have been. she seems to have quite a history of attacking the galleries of countless artists. another person who has no grasp of the words 'helpful comments for improvement' whatsoever. if i was a little more paranoid, id think that her nasty demeanor coupled with her gallery full of 'chloes' and 'kirsty's' with unshaven armpit hair, and crotch closeups, signified another bebop incarnation. get back under your bridge, little girl.

There are probably some posteriors around here you could pull one out of... *8-)

Whether it's an art site or not, Tisa, if you don't like it here, do us all a favour and go away. (Though frankly, from the tone of your various ludicrous posts, I doubt that favours are something that come naturally to you. You are mean-spirited, plain and simple.)

SnowSultan I suggest you read my post first before jumping on the band wagon. My point if you care to read it is that this site is usedmore and more purely as a Market Place. Look at the gallery. Look at this forum. A constant flow of ads.Even rival sites use this forum as showcase for their products. So please don't put words into my mouth. I'm obviously not commenting on the members that are not merchants. Tara I'm glad that there is at least one person here that read my thread.thanks

Tisa, if you don't like it here, then leave. For all your complaining, I've yet to see you contribute anything positive. Oh, and please, feel free to prove me wrong and point me to a positive contribution you've made. I don't think you can meet the challenge.

Blackhearted It has been at least fourty five years since I was a little girl.I suggest that you, also, read the TOS. However I do have a question for you. In the gallery comments underneath your advertisement you say "everything in it was made by myself from the ground up" however further down mpcollin says "I actually shot all the photo reference material used in this creation. I must have taken upwards of 30 photos" So who's not telling the truth?

Tisa, NEWSFLASH. Since Renderosity OWNS this site, they can do damn well what they want to with it. Their site, their rules. Deal with it. Mkay? Oh, and get over yourself.

Same old tired troll routine.

yeh, ive been looking through all of her forum posts and comments... ive yet to find any positive contribution from 'her'. as for the merchants, are you so shortsighted as to be blind to the fact that they are the ones driving this community? theyre paying for all of the bandwidth, paying the salaries of the admins who work here, sponsoring all of the contests, etc. if you dont like renderosity, and all you can do is bitch about it and continually assault the members (i just read the thread where you trash elowen's postworking scripts), then just piss off. but refrain from trolling artists galleries or publicly bashing their marketplace products. the last person that did that was banned, several times. im still not quite convinced that youre not him under an alias - you sure fit the profile.

matthew provided me with the reference photos, since i dont have $700 to buy a suitable digital camera at this time. until now, ive relied on kiera for my digital source material, but im no longer working with her. matt's a friend, and did it as a favor. however, the actual source material has little to do with the final texture - its just the equivalent of an artist's paintbrush or pen, not the actual work involved creating a texture from it. i cant believe im actually dignifying your rediculously ignorant post with a response.

Hiya threadmates =) I am an evil merchant. Not only do I sell items for poser but I do so for my own personal spending enjoyment. I make graphics using the items I have purchased &/or obtained from friends that appreciate my feedback. I also use alot of my own textures ect. It would be rather silly of me to create something and not use it. I have provided free items in the past. I also have offered free space on my server for others so they may provide free items as well. Soon I will also have the pleasure of hosting free items to the community from my peers (fellow merchants)for Christmas. Not all the works im my gallery are art. Some of them are purely just renders. (Then again I never claimed to be an artist.) I'd have to wonder what the definition of art, to some, truely is. Some renders are truely creative. Im not certain if I can define a crotch render as art though.

Personally, since Tisa posts these inflammatory threads on a regular basis, I think she does it solely to upset this community. It must be some kind of self-gratification for her, but I don't think any of us should feed her addiction in the future. Gabriel, you do not have to justify yourself to anyone, in my opinion. Your work is top-notch and your ART is endlessly inspiring.

Is it that time of the month again?

Apparently Tisa, You are too dense to comprehend that you don't get to dictate what goes into the galleries. If the marketplace pays for the bandwidth for the galleries, then the marketplace dictates what goes INTO the galleries. Surely that small bit of math is't beyond you.

so Blackhearted good of you to admit you were not telling the truth. Thanks for your honesty this time.One other point in your IM to me you say "Soft advertising is allowed in the poser gallery" Can you, or anyone else, inform me where this is said. It's strange how so many of you, with the exception of one or two seem to be failing to understand my point. Whether this is stupidity or deliberate I'm not sure but I shall reiterate. The small part of this site that is not completey Market Place dominated is been overtaken by money grabbing merchants who even though they have their own gallery and forum to advertise their overpriced products still insist on using this forum and the galleries for their advertisements.

The only upsetting thing about this thread is that somebody posted a Norman Rockwell painting in the middle of it. I really didn't need to see THAT. And even though the original post is a been-there-done-that (about 300 times) troll, I wouldn't mind seeing more "natural" body hair configurations in MP character packs, to go with the 27 shaved/trimmed textures I already have. And I actually agree that some of the recent additions to the merchant pool would be well advised to cut their teeth in Free Stuff first. And Hiram--I'm pretty sure that's a cow, not a horse.

Hisminky I'm well aware that I do not get to dictate what goes into the galleries The admins do and they state it very clearly "The Showcase Forum and Gallery are intended for ALL commercial related postings within our community."

"as for the merchants, are you so shortsighted as to be blind to the fact that they are the ones driving this community?" No disrespect, Bh, but I'm of the opinion that it's the CUSTOMERS that pay the bills around here.

"Soft advertising is allowed in the poser gallery" is a direct quote from the merchants forum. Merchants have been given the green light to post their graphics in the gallery as long as they dont look like an all out ads. This came about for 2 reasons. 1) Some of the showcase forum gallery graphics were art /soft advertisment 2) some merchants posted the same graphic in both galleries one with text & one without. So they were basically already doing "soft advertising"

points at Blackhearted

Saaaaay.... I know who you are. Aren't you the greedy scumbag money-grubbing jerk who made and posted one of the most-used and most-downloaded free items ever? How do you sleep at night, ya leech?

Non-dead horse.

Once was the time when members gave away their freestuff and everyone benifited. Tisa, curious that you complain about free stuff, and you don't have any free stuff to give away. I guess I should not talk, I only have one item posted.

The way I figure it, this place is here to make a profit, we get to bitch and moan as a consequence, YMMV later jb

lol fauve :) mosca - you know what i mean. renderosity is a marketplace community. i see no need to deny that, or hide it. so is RDNA, DAZ, Commune, Rotica, 3dcafe etc. even poserpros, which was propagandised as a nonprofit company and therefore 'better' than rosity set up a marketplace awful fast. without the marketplaces funding these communities, and merchant contributors, these communities would dry up awful fast as people realised that administrators, the massive bandwidth usage generated by thousands of people logged on at all times, and contest prizes/etc cost money. people trashing the marketplace, and saying that we need to go back to having everything out there as freestuff, are really missing the big picture. most merchants began with freestuff contributions, and merchants like philc, who i look up to a lot, are industriously providing the community with an endless supply of quality items which they invested their time in and ask nothing in return. while freestuff is great, and i myself am working on a couple new additions with rio, its not going to pay for the costs of this community. its funny how so many people are hypocrits though. bebop, with his new nicknames like Keep_It_Free, and his constant assaults on renderosity merchants, seems to forget the fact that he was a renderosity merchant too. yes, one of us evil, moneygrubbing, profiteering bastards. the only reason his items were offerred up as freestuff is because he was BANNED from the marketplace and the community. and partly as a last-ditch attempt to gain some sortof favor with the rosity masses who hated his guts. "And I actually agree that some of the recent additions to the merchant pool would be well advised to cut their teeth in Free Stuff first" agreed

So...how 'bout them yankees?

sometimes a render is just a render sometimes a render actually becomes art [whatever that is] i'm not an artist either... at best, i'm the proverbial hobbyist... and as stated above, i have contributed my share of promo type images... i sometimes get itchy to create though i lack inspiration, yet still i need to scratch lest i go mad in my obsession with trying to improve... my true palette and brushes are words, not paint, digital or otherwise, so i'm in want to overcome my weaknesses... maybe one day i shall get "there", but i seriously doubt it given my character make-up... i digress... the disappointment you feel, Tisa, whenst cruising through i've encountered myself... !!lots!! of pretty images to be certain, but feeling "moved" by something in the Poser galleries? well, it's been quite a while aside from one or two images i've been lucky enough to stumble across, and more oft than no, they're images that are not technically "sound" and probably shine brighter because of this... rarer still is the image that is technically spot on and stirring all at once... t'is all a matter of taste, of course :) i am sincerely curious to know that were these pages filled with images that you considered to be artistic but that also utilised and promoted MP items, if you might still feel the same way? or is that just not a possibility for you? i can understand if it might be a thin line... and whilst what Gabriel said may be true, that those contributing to the MarketPlace are "driving" this site, that sadly also says that money comes before all else... course it also leaves off the fact that customers must buy in order to make it fly... ;) "art" really does imitate life, eh? [hehe] i do have an enormous amount of respect for a large number of creators/contributors of the MP - please do not misunderstand, as were it not for them i could not have explored a number of things that i've been able to thusly... i've learned so much already... but i do agree in many ways that things have changed here in the past two years where it seems there is far more promotion for goods in the MP not only through obvious advertising and placement, but in the galleries too... i think it worthy to note that these "changes" were obviously consensual, that contributing posters to the galleries have somewhere along the way agreed that this is acceptable as a collective whole, that viewers have agreed, that users that are signing up and repeatedly returning for whatever reasons have agreed... symbosis at its finest hour, i imagine... above somewhere someone mentioned that if you disagreed with things to start contributing in a way you find acceptable, the way you'd like to see things start to move and maybe change into... that's an excellent thought, and one that has me thinking about my own decisions and actions, my own visions, desires and responsibilities here as a "member"... be you "troll" to dismiss, or seriously concerned, for me it matters very little... somehow through all of these posts i've come away with something for myself, something to chew upon, grow from with any luck and a re-affirmation of sorts of what i wanted to do whenst i first started in all of this "art" stuff... and oddly, i honestly wish to thank you for this, Tisa :))

IT IS THE USE OF THIS FORUM AND THE POSER GALLERY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADVERTISING THAT I OBJECT TO NOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE REST OF YOU CARE TO MAKE UP. HOW LOUD DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS BEFORE IT SINKS IN.

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*"And Hiram--I'm pretty sure that's a cow, not a horse."* Damn! It said "Horse" on the *package!* Actually, Mosca, I'm certain it's a horse. You can see why at the link above. Besides, wasn't I supposed to tell you to shut up and get back to work?

IT IS THE USE OF THIS FORUM AND THE POSER GALLERY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADVERTISING THAT I OBJECT TO NOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE REST OF YOU CARE TO MAKE UP. HOW LOUD DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS BEFORE IT SINKS IN. Oh. Well, why didn't you just say so?

and i object to this forum and the galleries being used by an immature little troll to draw attention to herself and stir up shit. so whats your point?

Bh, I do know what you mean, and respectfully beg to differ. Without buyers, there can be no sellers--not the other way around. "while freestuff is great, and i myself am working on a couple new additions with rio, its not going to pay for the costs of this community." Not sure I agree with you here, either. I first started coming here back in the old, dark PFO days because of freestuff. I'm guessing a lot new folks first arrive on these shores for the same reason--and end up as marketplace captures when they see what's available. I've discovered a number of favorite merchants through high quality items they've posted to free stuff--Dark Whisper in particular (though, sadly, most of his free stuff items were pulled some time ago). Sure, merchants are doing us all a considerable favor by posting the occasional free item--but they're doing themselves a favor, too (a little like in WWII, when the tobacco companies gave free cigarettes to the Red Cross, which were then handed out to the boys in the trenches). One more thing--I don't know if it's true for everyone, but for me every MP purchase has been, in part, a conscious decision to pay back R'osity in some small part for all the fine, free services they provide. I figure that gives me the right to be a pain in the ass.

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If the "art" here doesn't move you, maybe you should stop complaining about it and go look elsewhere, troll.

"immature little troll" Thanks for the compliment Blackhearted. As I'm 52 and weigh far too much. But as you have already admitted to telling lies I'm not sure whether I can believe you. Sweet dreams.

Hiram-- My bad. It's a horse all right. And I can't very well go back to work when the Simpsons are on, now can I?

52? "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son." -Dean Wormer

"But as you have already admitted to telling lies I'm not sure whether I can believe you. Sweet dreams." He never did. That was your thinly veiled attempt at a spin. I was going to let it go before you pressed it. And I'm with BH, you're a guy. Gender shows in writing choices more that some of us realize. You have a real tendency to go scrotal when you don't get enough attention, hence these periodic posts. Of course you will deny it, you pretty much have too, but I just wanted to let you know that more than one of us noticed. In fact, I noticed it back during those previous posts. Nightie-night.

but do you see what im saying? freestuff is a part of the marketplace. if all of a sudden there would be no renderosity store, then everything else would dry up fast - no freestuff, no forums, no contests, no tutorials, nothing.. and no, dont get me wrong. im not saying that everyone here is obligated to purchase something from the marketplace to support the community. what i AM saying is that there are many who do, and they dont feel obligated at all. they purchase items because they like what they see and think its higher quality than a lot of the freestuff thats out there. noones shoving anything down their throats, merely offering their work and asking for a small fee as compensation. i spent a month on this latest pack, and so did rio. is $20 asking a lot to compensate me for that, or to receive the outcome of that work and avoid spending all that time yourself? i guess thats for everyone to decide for themselves. but im sick and tired of little shit disturbers like tisa trolling merchants galleries, posting defamatory comments on their works, and starting up posts ranting about how awful the marketplace is and how we should be obligated to only provide freesutff... thats a fucking crock. im sorry, but i have bills to pay. i try to give back to the community by working on free items, but mostly on free additions to my existing packs and answering peoples questions, emails and IMs on everything from texturing to rendering. and mosca - are you serious about the 'natural body hair' texture? define 'natural body hair', heh. dude i am NOT asking rio grow out her armpit hair for source material :( cheerio, -gabriel

It's a gallery, I can't say that the implicit, "advertising" pisses me off that much to be honest. Though I do tend to get annoyed at the constant seesawing between over-photoshop'ed fantasy epics and attempts at making atristic "statements" and why is it that every vicky has to have the same face? By that I mean, not her default one. The same overdone colagen lips, and "microlite" noses... Isn't it enough that we have one Micheal Jackson in the world?!? :) Personally I think we should just get back to the T&A and magic pink ponies, an yes, even "Vickies in temples, sans armour, with sword/helmet" and be done with it. We can't all be artists and deep thinkers. Some of us have to talk shite, lest sanity rears it's ugly head, cos then we're really buggered :) later jb

Tisa, I understand your point, although I don't really find the forums full of advertising like you say. Indeed, the Marketplace here has become a joke and everyone is cranking out whatever they can make in order to try and bring in some cash. It's not what you're saying that I totally disagree with, it's how you choose to say it. Please think about how you come across to the artists here before starting a thread like this. Saying that this is not an "art" site and how many bad Poser renders there are offends many people, especially considering the comments you have made in the past. Anyway, I apologize for any misunderstanding. This site may not be what it used to be, but it's members like us who can at least try to keep it entertaining, informative, and friendly. SnowS

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

I see what you're saying, Bh, and I agree in the main. I think we're arguing the chicken and the egg. Buying from the MP may be more complicated for me than for others, I don't know--but I didn't say I felt obligated. I'm just aware, as I'm clicking that "agree" button, that part of what I'm doing is supporting the site. As you said above. I kind of like the little shit disturbers, but then, I kind of like driving the Jersey turnpike, too. If life was all chocolate pie, we'd all be sick to death of chocolate. And pie. Re the natural body hair thing--I'm thinking of kind of a Euro look; a little armpit tuft, maybe, and a nice patch of untrimmed pubic hair. I guess you're too young to remember Oui, the 70's Playboy spinoff.

Tempus..LOL dam..LOL. LMAO.

SIGH "but im sick and tired of little shit disturbers like tisa trolling merchants galleries, posting defamatory comments on their works, and starting up posts ranting about how awful the marketplace is and how we should be obligated to only provide freesutff..." you just can't stop telling porkies can you BH Please tell me where in this thread I said this. I'll say it again just for you so hopefully it may sink in. IT IS THE USE OF THIS FORUM AND THE POSER GALLERY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADVERTISING THAT I OBJECT TO NOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE REST OF YOU CARE TO MAKE UP. HOW LOUD DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS BEFORE IT SINKS IN. I am not objecting to merchants selling I'm saying do it in the right place as is clearly stated by the admins of this site.

Yawn

"IT IS THE USE OF THIS FORUM AND THE POSER GALLERY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADVERTISING THAT I OBJECT TO NOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE REST OF YOU CARE TO MAKE UP. HOW LOUD DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS BEFORE IT SINKS IN." Crap - this is the same old "Is it art?" thread you created before. Personally I like seeing the renders from the Advertisers and people who buy a new product and just have to do a render (I do it as well). It shows me what's out there and what people are working on. Honestly Tisa - if you don't like it just leave. You have shown no Poser orientated work of value and you just like to stir up trouble. I don't care whether you're 52 or 5 - still the same problem... you're a trouble stirring Troll.

Actually I think she has a point, but apparently also a history of trolling the galleries--andno outstanding work of her own; so no credibility. Point made, point taken. Next!

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