Ok. I think I've solved the problem of the eyes not working with the Point At command. 1.)Select each eyeball one at a time 2.)open the Joint editor 3.)type in these setting for the center point: Center Point 0.013 0.677 0.025 End Point 0.013 0.677 0.030 Then resave the figure to the library with the same name. You should now be able to add the point at command to each eyeball. And it should work like the P4 figures do. Let me know if it works gang. ScottA iamsba@aol.com