Hi there, Well first off I have seen every image and add-on and they are all wonderful. We are all amazed at the House Mouse becoming the huge sleeper hit of the season. Thanks to everyone who is adding to it. Great stuff. I honestly didn't quite expect so many downloaads. It is quite high now. Now about the cat. I was planning on a kitten but it seems it might be more prudent to think bigger. A truly realistic and full-featured cat will take alot of work. Also the exxtreme variations of cat shapes prevent one "omni-cat". However, a few "Multi-cats" are possible to cover most bases. So here is the big question? What kind? Short hair will be better for now until Daz Studio is released. Then we can look at doing long haired cats. Speak now or forever hold your peace. :) Anton DAZ 3D Platinum Club

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Ok not forever ...but feedback sooner would help. :)

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Anton - just a regular short haired tabbie would do me! Guarie

Ohhhhhhhh, a leak on Daz studio... long hair.... what will it be? Dynamics? Exportable to Bryce? yada yada yada!! hey we did like the mouse and a cat is something that needs to be done too. I would like to see a kitten as well as a decent full sized furbag. (Sorry, Kitty just slapped me for that one.) You know, some day I hope to see a good rabbit. There's none out there. I'd love to show some imaginative travels of the famous bunny in the battery commercials.

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How about an anthropomorphic felinoid female (i.e. a cat girl)? Sorry, I couldn't resist. If, on the other hand you're actually curious, click on the thread link where I tried to rally members to write to DAZ about that very thing. Sincerely, Bill

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I don't know. I am quite torn between screaming "KITTEN!" or asking for just a nice normal cat with textures. I think I really lean toward a kitten. Diane

How about a cat that will morph into other cats.. Tabby to simese.and so forth

I like soft grey and white, with boots, but would be happy with any furry. A Tabby would be lovely, too, considering how the feline beastmasters turned out. Emily

A cat could possibly morph into some similar variations but could nver be every cat. Aside from joint problems, texture distortion would occure in great differences. That is what I was meaning. Pics would help.

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I agree that a short-haired tabby would be ideal. Perhaps a short-haired cat would be more popular at this point than a long-haired variety, since so many of us are still using P4, and trans maps to simulate longer hair might be problematic. It could take on all of the main tabby textures ... calico, gray/white, orange/white. It probably wouldn't be too hard to provide morphs to change the basic form to other short-haired varieties ... Siamese, whatever. Awful nice of you to respond to all the requests like this, Anton. Bill, have you seen the Fantasy Feline textures for M&V at DAZ? They might not be exactly what you have in mind, but they're very effective when used with the Millennium figures' "cat" morphs.

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Then when you have that new program, you could try....

I also think the short-hair tabby would be good for now (I have two of them myself, but still...). :) It could probably be scaled down to be a kitten (someone has already done that with the P4 cat), and maybe through clever transmapping, we could at least try to make it a longhair too. Perhaps making a "cape" of sorts to conform and drape over the cat's body and transmapping that could add longer hair. Just a thought though. ;) BTW Anton, is there any possibility of offering $5 DAZ gift certificates in the future? I know it doesn't seem worth the trouble, but I have a few people I'd like to give certificates to and I can't really spend $10 each at the moment. Besides, for Platinum Club members, $5 goes a long way. :) Thanks for your time, take care. SnowS Hoping his pictures are worth 1001 words. 1001 Words

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while a siamese is a short hair, there are a couple of things unique to siamese that would make it very difficult to morph a basic short hair cat body into one. the first being the unjointed kink in a siamese tail-tip, with the siamese tail also being thinner and jointed to only go up from the butt. ( this was actually bred into this fighting cat to enable storing rings on the tail and only the owner able to get them easily. )

Kitten. KITTEN. LOTS of morphs. high poly count. GREAT eyes!!! .....ummm ummmm ummmm....Kitten with the ability with morphs to baby tiger etc. would be really really cool. the posted pics are CUTE!!! those would do! Anton...seems to be your modeling year. great work on the House Mouse etc. Keep up the great work. And thanks for asking the community too.

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KITTENS! Then an alligator...I'd love to see some Peter Pan type renders (using the Fairie Wings Deluxe)...then pirate clothes, Tinkerbell house...oh my goodness...I think I better roll up my imagination for now.

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Excuse me, Jaqui, but that tail kink on some of the siamese are a totally UNWANTED thing in today's siamese breed, so to model a faulty siamese would be a shame, imo. On the above pic is a lot of siamese, (and Oriental Shorthair) the white one in the center is our Basil just before he left his native home :o))) But apart from that I agree that you cant "just" slap a siamese texture on a regular cat and have it resemble a siamese. The head is way different, the ears bigger and the tail longer and thinner. I've never heard of siamese being fighting cats btw, do you have a source for that? It sounds interesting :o)

Joints? What joints?

Short hair: A cougar would be nice - or even a jaguar - or if you, must a siamese. Or better yet, a tiger. Long hair: One of them Norwegian Forest Cats.

I vote tabby both adult version and cuddly kitten size.

ernyoka1, never said it was wanted currently, but it was when the siamese were bred into being. and my information about thier history is from the public library, in almost any encyclopedia. ( I memorised 3 sets by grade 2 ) guard more than fighting, but I'm sure you noticed that siamese tend to not like new people ( generally speaking, since all cats are individuals ) not sure if it was china or a smaller asian country where the ruling class used them to patrol the home at night and guard the jewellry. ( hense the kink at the tip ) they tend to keep thier tail verticle when walking, which helped balance the rings ~wink~. personally, I prefer dogs, specifically neopolitan mastiff, over cats. but all animals seem to adore me. ( even those few purebred siamese I have been around )

Coolness. I'd actually buy the "Millenium Cat" ;] Short hair? I'm a russian blue fan personally... although I second and third those that said we seriously need a full featured big cat set. The current ones aren't quite quite... Some things that would be a must [large or small cat]: ear flex morphs to swivel, forward and flatten ears. Ctas ears are extremely expressive. A good snarl and othe mouth/muzzle expression morphs. Ditto for eye/face expressions. Morphs to move and position the whiskers... again, cats have very expressive whiskers. Next to the tail tip, that's their most expressive feature. The shoulders and hips/thighs need some shaping morphs and "fix" morphs to allow for the muscles to flex when the legs are posed and bent. ECM/JCM mayhaps? And plenty of joints in the tails... enough to allow for easy posing. The tails of the current cat and lion break up and/or kink badly during posing. Incorporate a lot of features like those to take advantage of what Poser's current level of "user created file hacking" has added over time to state of the art, and you'd have a winner. I'd buy it. Without.... I wouldn't pay Daz prices for a new cat model. PS: To erynoka1 - that is one gorgeous family of cats you have there. ;]

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LOL tasquah, great pic! My tabby (above) is more interested in sleeping than biting though. :) Bknoh, those are really cute, but they look like something out of a science-fiction movie IMO. ;) SnowS

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Uhm IronBear, I do not own all those cats on the pic with all the cats. Only the white one in the middle :o) The pic was taken at the breeders house when we picked him up. I DO have 3 cats though :o), the black tipped-over one is mine as well as an abysinnian not yet protrayed here. G

Cat that can morph to a kitten :) And mouth morphs for the mouse so he can bite the cat back!

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Ah. "just before he left his native home " - missed that one. ;] Heh heh... reminded me of our house before we got all the kittens adopted out. With 11 kittens and 3 adult cats, we were walltowall cats for about 10 weeks.

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OMG KITTIES!!! :o I LOVE CATS! :) regains composure I think a kitten w/cat morphs :) A shorthair one, a cute one :)

cute like diss one

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OMG they are all so cute! This one is mine if your after something a bit older (he is around 10 months old). Just your generic ginger, but I do think he has a hansome structure :)

OMG! These are soo cute. I am making a list now. Fur seems to be the main hurdle but there is transmap potential. Will need to do tests to see what Poser can handle. Realistically Baby tigers and such would have to be their own figure. But as I said there is room for a few "Multi-cats". This would allow people to choose the one closest to what they want. Trying to sqeeze to much into one cat will just limit the overal results. Better to have the best looks possible to each. Ironbear, lol Loud and clear on the "cost-to-feature" guidelines. Pretty standard... ... load it with everything and give it away... :)We do try our best. I bout a great Cat Encyclopedia today so I will start looking up some of these names. I don't have any cats but have alot of pics. If anyone has open mouth pics or expression pics those would really help. If anyone has any closeup pics of feet and pads could you send to me at anton@daz3d.com but only if it is no trouble. Getting all the reference material usually is the longest part of the process. And not being a cat owner, I want to be thorough. These pics are really helpful as are the suggestions. Anton anton@daz3d.com Daz3D Platinum Club

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Actually, that wasn't *quite what I meant, Anton. lol Meant more in the lines of "If it's got all those things, it'd be worth the same cost as Vicki 2 or Mike 2 to me". ;]

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two biggest problems with house mouse, no tongue and can't open it's mouth. ~pout~ Little Dragon fixed the lack of posability for the hands. (used posettes channels, it worked )

Oh this is great news Anton, finally the Millennium Cat! SnowSultan's tabby looks so much like my former cat... he passed away 8 years ago and I still miss him... That is my favourite one. Also thanks danidh for the link and the references. I would pick these: http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/maine.html http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/american-bobtail.html http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/british.html http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/ragdoll.html As pointed out by others both kittens and cats versions would be great... and a lot of facial and expression morphs too, please.

Both! Please! We're greedy! Yeeeehawwww! We're finally getting a cat! And the way you're talking, Daz Studio has a schedule for release! We may not know what it is, but there is one (grin). Now, about Mike III....

Yay! We SO need a decent cat. I think a basic domestic shorthair would do nicely, and could be morphed into almost anything. For now, too, longer fur can be done in postwork. The biggest problem with the current cat is that it just doesn't look like a real cat in any way, and it doesn't have proper joints. The creation of an anatomically correct (and I'm not talking about genetalia, I'm talking about bone and muscle structure) cat (and dog PLEASE?) would make my year.

I absolutely agree that it should be a domestic shorthair. The lovely tabbies that tasquah posted pictures of above are just the thing. Frankly, my Russian Blue looks just like a short-haired tabby with a toothache. (Fat little face, you know. wink) so a lot could be done with morphs and different textures to give us a small universe of cats from just one plain old domestic shorthair to start with. I think an additional kitten model would also be a huge seller. I agree with Ironbear too on the price. I certainly don't expect to find a cat full of features for $1.99. As Momcat said just above, a new cat would make my year. I'm willing to pay more than $1.99 to have my year made!! LOL Anton, you've really given me something to smile about when I most needed it. Thanks! Kimberly

Oh, and if someone could make a tortoiseshell map.............

Anyone want a cat? I have several that have to go - allergies but I love them all :-D Anotn I will happily send you some of my new puffy little kittens - so you have a live model of course ;-D Tortoiseshells are my favorite and I have 2 of them , mother and daughter, but I love Chartreux (which would need a rounder chubbier body) and Russian Blues as well. But we can't ignore Tabbies - they get so agitated.... How about morphs for a bobtail and scottishfold as well?

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Hey, no fair! If everyone's going to be posting pics of their furbabies, I get to too! Here everyone stops fighting to observe our exceptionally brazen squirrel.

Another cat type that I would love to see is a Manx (my two kittens are Manx). They're not just tailless, but they also have the bunny-ish back legs. It'd be nice to also have a morph or a joint that can be made invisible to give them a stubby tail. (Manx are actually better off if they have at least one joint.)

And there has to be an option for a kink in a Siamese tail! But it isn't always just the last joint. A friend of mine's Oriental Shorthair with Siamese blood has it right in the middle of his tail, and my Malcolm (the tuxedo in the lower corner you can barely see) has a slight one about 2/3 of the way from the base.

I think the best cat for starters would be the best breed of all, Domestic Short Hair. (The beloved mutt-cat.) It'd be the most flexible.

Sparrowheart, I can say from experience that matching the seamlines is KILLER. It can be done, but it is a serious pain.

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How about a DOG !!! Sorry....well, I'm not..no cats in this house...

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Include a morph for a Persian with the long-haired variety.

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Important to remember when modeling ANY type of cat: They have the uncanny ability to transform themselves into a mercurial substance at will.

Anton, Congrats on the success of the House Mouse. I was wondering if there was a chance to make the cat as both a bipedal and normal cat, IE: the same "human" rear legs as the mouse and also accurate "Cat" rear legs. Puss n Boots comes to mind... of course... "cat clothes" would be on the horizon. Any chance on an update or add on to the mouse to make the back legs more realistic? In nature, there's only one species with four knees. anyone? Yep, the Elephant.

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oooh kitten please! :) one of my cats is a ragdoll and she's adorable. The Dahlia is built like a tank! Heh.

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For shorthairs I think 2 cats would do - an oriental (siamese) type and a cobby (British Shorthair) type. The body and head types of the two are different enough that you probably would want to do two different cats. But the current poser cat does look like a real cat - if that real cat is Mimi. :-)

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The domestic short hair would work for me. I have a bunch of close ups of my three cats that I could make textures with and the P4 cat just doesn't cut it. I'm hoping whatever you produce will allow frontal views of the head. A morph from kitten to adult would be nice too.

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Thank you, Anton!!! I just want the cutest most cuddly kitten you can come up with. Heh. These pictures are great!

You guys are killing me with the cute cate pictures!

Dave I have no cats :) I'm a whisper dog person too :) also a bird person, so no CATS in my house!

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"In nature, there's only one species with four knees. anyone?" Dang. I was gonna say Monica Lewinsky.

PLease give it a fat morph for those cats who, um, aren't into excercise and very into their 9-lives! I'll ditto the articulate eyes and whiskers and you'll need a tongue that can curl...unless you break down and make the Millenium Tongue to go with the Millenium Teeth. I've got Digiport's tongue (from BBay) and it's pretty cool. If you could do an add-on for the mouse--while we're talking--that opens the mouth and closes the eyes--well, not at the same time!--that'd be great! Now, about the dog...

Ahhhh.reprive :) dog and 4 birds...NO CATS (whisper) LOL... my dog loves to chase them..they're scary animals...look cute, but have them nasty big long fangs, tempermental, finicky, slitted eyes, unpredictable...hairball spitting creatures.... plus they make me sneeze... And they eat birds...let alone those little mice guys.. OK...Anton...make a nice dog...there's already an elephant to entertain the mouse. NO NO >>>>Don't hurt me !!!!..../OUCH...those flames are hot...stop already

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Make a real cat and a real kitten and I'll buy both. (Give me a release date and I'll be hitting the Refresh button every five minutes until it shows up!) The short haired tabby cat would probably be the safest to start with. I think it would be the easiest to morph into several varieties. Here kitty, kitty, kitty ... (Though I'm not a dog person, I wouldn't mind a real dog model as well.)

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Woof. A real small dog would be nice. The one in Poser is a largest dog with a long muzzle. But a number of dogs have round little heads and short legs, and either no tail or tails that curl over their backs. Cats should be easier because most share a certain body similarity (most, not all), but dogs have been designer bred into huge variations of size and appearance. Do a Chinese Crested and a German Shepherd look like the same species to you? A Mr. Winkle would be fun. The mouse would love to have a Mr. Winkle to play with.

Ahem...need to proof. That should be "largish" not "largest." Ugh.

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here's a DOG... We have a brindle just like this... They're great pets

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Anton_ if you haven't got it, a good starting place is the excellent little Dorling Kindersley handbook on Cats by David Alderton_ its got pics of about every possible cat you are ever likely to see_ plus a few that I'm sure you'd have to travel to Mars to see! (try the Sphynx on p178!) There's a good section at the beginning on face shapes etc. Anyways if you're gonna have a go I'm going to give up on my project to remodel and remap the P4 kitty_ a new millenium cat would be far more preferable! Good luck!

Now -that's- a dog, LOL!!!! Wow, he'd be taller than me... but that's no surprise because everyone is taller than me. (grumbles) Actually, the dog-favoritism doesn't work for me since my shephard thinks all 110 pounds of him are kitten... Amusing my REAL cat to no ends!

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I'd like a cat that can turn in to a little furball of a dog ;-) Kind of like this..........

Is that a plushie, or a Westie puppy?...Or is it a Westie plushie? ...hard to tell with those little balls of white terr(i)er fluff >^_~ I second thatidea, but I don't think the bone structure is right...though they could use the base figure and do like they did with Stephanie I guess. I'd loveto see a little dog figure too. I've got a Dachshund along with my two kitties.

I told her the mouse came first, now the cat.. dog was yet to be mentioned.. this was her honest reaction. :o)

It's a toy plushie ;-) We live in an apartment and that's the only kind of dog we're allowed. A stuffed one LOL.

mystic, ROFL! That's telling you! ;-)

Tell Reba that's she great for passing on the suggestion for the cat or dog!! I think you start out with a basic adult short hair cat, give it some a few good morphs....especially on the eyes and eyes and I think you'd have something very versatile...that I would snap up in a second!!!

Meet 'Kitty'. She's a year old and has beige markings on one side.

Well, someone with my handle certainly can't skip over a thread like this without sharing my baby...she's now about 11 weeks old, this shot was at 7 weeks... Anton, one thing to keep in mind I didn't see mentioned elsewhere: a cat's ears can rotate at the base, like little radar dishes. They seem to be most reactive to the sounds of can openers and dry food bags being opened.

And one more of Alison Catherine with her favorite cuddle toy... :-)

Aww, that last picture is adorable, CromeTiger (well they BOTH are) but that little kitten cuddling up to that huge plush tiger GG (ps: Is that a Charizard?)

Ernyoka, Yup, that's my Charizard...good eye. I'm somewhat of a Pokemaniac...I've got tons of Pokemon stuff, but he's always out somewhere...

Heh I was bitten by the Pokbacilla myself. Even my kids thinks I'm a bit embarassing sometimes. Otoh it gives them great credits when some of their playmates asks about a specific Pokon and I'm able to answer G Oh and my fav Pokon is Charmander G so Charizard was easy to spot. just waiting for Ruby and Sapphire now...

Regarding the Siamese* body and head type: It should be noted that the body type of this breed has been radically altered since it was first introduced to the West. The current typical "show" breed looks utterly nothing like the original Siamese purebreds that came to the West in the 1800s. The original breed standard is still preserved by some breeders. Information on these conformations can be found at the following: http://www.meezer.com/siambreed1.html http://www.oldstylesiamese.com/ http://members.lycos.co.uk/TSCA/3a.html http://www.travelswithtigger.com/fanciers/trad-siamese-faq.html Some "professional" breeders who specialize in one variant or the other take hatred of the variant they don't raise to fetishistic heights. Most Meezer lovers understand that the personality matters every bit as much as a mere "breed standard". *To be more precise, the term "Wichien Maas" better pins down the specific breed. there are no less than six distinct pure breeds that could be legitimately considered "Siamese", as in "developed in an native to old Siam". The others are the "Khao Manee" (a pure white breed), the "Ninlarat" (a pure black breed), the "Kao Taem" (a white breed with black spots), the "Thon Daeng" (called "Burmese" in the West), and the "Sisawat" (called "Korat" in the West). Claims regarding the use of the Wichien Maas as guard animals or breeding them to hold jewelry upon their tales are the stuff of Snopes. Nothing other than folklore holds these claims. Unfortunately, encyclopedia authors are very often not in the least bit careful when checking their "facts".

Thanks for all the info. This is a great help. Anton

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Cool. FOr anyone who gets this. I have started on it. Mabey next week. Anton

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Hallelujah!!!!!!

Pah-leeease!!! - Good photo-real textures!!!!! and for the eyes too. :-)

A short-hair seems the best 'generic' sort to go for. I don't mind as long as it's not so demanding on the system that the PC crashes on me, but please- don't forget the claws! Ears that can actually twist and lay flat properly would be wonderful, and nice eyes (eyes compatible with the various add-on eye props would be cool). Goodie, more cats to do walk cycles for. :) Thanks heaps for this, Anton!

This is wonderful! I hope that in the future we get them all! The Big Cats. The Big Cat Kittens. The Domestic Cats. Domestic Cat kittens... Long furs and short-haired... Cats Rule. ;) Wait until I get home and have access to all of my kitty pictures! :P

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