Well I'm a bit off on this, I really need to get tehe texture a bit better, and need to add a bump map for the wear and tear on the face. But is anyone's interested, I'll have this up soon. I'll post as a PZ3, since all the peoices are included with Poser 4. (It was tricky tucking in the shirt to the jeans --I never had to do this before -- hmmm) Had to take a break from VicMilli ;-) James