I think Poser 4 is a good program, overall, and I like using it. It has it's little bugs, like having to click in the file selection box before you can use a space in a Morph Target's name, and like the occassional weirdness when the 'New File' command leaves you with a blank program try and you have to select 'New File' again, or like having to click two or even three times on 'are you sure you want to delete the current object' dialogues. Overall, though, it's a nice program and I enjoy using it, and I can make some pretty good programs with it. I think MetaCreations did a very good job. Now, I want to see how long it takes before someone decides they have to attack me and tell me why I'm wrong, and what they will base it on. This place has heaps of bipolar people.