In an earlier post, Lyrra said: "Any person commenting in a non-constructive negative or derogatory manner will have the comment deleted and be warned. If this behavior is repeated, further actions may need to be taken." Then the thread was locked before anyone could respond--the implication being that comment from R'osity customers was not welcome. I will now, in violation of the New Directive, make the following non-constructive, negative, derogatory comment: In any free and open forum, arguments crop up. Differences of opinion occur. Issues are thrashed out. Why are we so afraid of passionate interchange? Are people so thin-skinned, so emotionally fragile, that they can't bear the slightest whiff of conflict? It's not always possible, if you feel strongly about something, to frame your every remark in "positive" terms. The more rules we have about what we can say and how we can say it, the less likely it becomes that anything worth saying will be said.

Nice knowin' ya. ;-)

I think that the intent of this restriction is honorable, but the scope is too inclusive. As you note, without debate and well articulated criticism, how are we to make arguments or voice our opinions (even if incorrect)? I, for one, enjoy some of the debate, yet also concede that some of it does turn into flaming or is initiated as a troll. There must be a distinction between wasted bandwidth wars with a hundred messages and debates/discussions that require some point-counterpoint argumentation. This forum should not only be for offering assistance, but also for having discussions (that remain on-topic anyway).

"Are people so thin-skinned, so emotionally fragile, that they can't bear the slightest whiff of conflict?" Sad to say, more often than not that is EXACTLY the case.

I don't think it refers to civil debates. Its more directed towards those out and out flamewars and mudslinging parties. Ya know the ones that so often pop up here and within an hour theres 200 posts with no end in site. In 90% of them the "constructive" part ended at post #3 and the rest are just people screaming at each other over what they cant even remember. I have to imagine that is the reason for Lyrra's post. And it was probably locked because it would have indeed turned into just that. She also mentioned a lack of moderators. Its probably to cut down on the threads that need to be "moderated" due to some peoples incessant need to act like 2 yr olds. Thats my take on it anyhow. Just my 2 cents, Gina

non-constructive negative or derogatory manner Should say "non-constructive or derogatorty manner". The word negative should not be in there at all, because many comments for improvement might very well include some negativity. Criticism, constructive or other, is negative by its very nature. But really you should define "trolling", and then say "Trolling will not be permitted", but it seems to me that that's already in there. So what's going on anyway? Recent epidemic of trolling or something?

I agree, let's keep things positive, people can't seem to do that without a little help. Sad, but true.

I thought locking that thread was a little odd too, but you have to admit that it's not terribly hard to tell the difference between a troll and constructive criticism. It's important that we have the right to voice our opinions, but it's also our responsibility to state it in an intelligent and meaningful way. I'm all for deleting pointless and hurtful gallery comments, but I hope the mods don't jump the gun and start killing debates just because they get a little fiery. BTW Mosca, I thought you were leaving? Haha, it's hard to stay away from this place, isn't it? ;) SnowS

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Guys.. i think it has more to do with the last "conflict" that we had in here and it's outcome. Where one member and i do stress member was attacked because of his connections to CL.

It's possible Stormrage, tho I dont know what you are talking about. I tend to stay away from heated threads if possible. So I probably missed it, but you could very well be right. :) Cheers, Gina

i have to agree with cimerone on this one

"non-constructive[,] negative or derogatory manner" perhaps?

It seems like the 'net-ese word "troll" is being misused, slightly. Trolling (as almost everyone knows by now) is the posting of an inflammatory or provocative comment for no better reason that to get a rise out of people. Yes, some people do that both in comment and in gallery images, but it's not always the worst thing in the world. I've found some of the obvious troll posts to the OT forum (probably the only appropriate place for them, if there is one at all) to be highly amusing. The ensuing threads offered an opportunity for great discussion and debate. Still, pointless or overly negative trolls and attacks are a waste of bandwidth and certainly non-productive. However, some members and perhaps admins here at Renderosity seem to use "troll" to mean "heated dissent," or perhaps "personal attacks," which are something else. What happened in the unfortunate thread where Nosfiratu was needlessly criticized wasn't trolling. The criticizers thought they had a legitimate point, regardless of whether I or the admins disagreed. What happens in those threads where a certain member who some feel doesn't belong in the Hot20 isn't trolling, either. I agree that too many members are quick to play wannabe admin, cop, or lawyer, but I also have to agree that some debate, within the limits already established by the TOS, is necessary for the general health of this community. I'm sick of the "is it art?" thing, but it's an eternal debate which needs to be hashed out. I assume that Lyrra meant to give a fair forewarning by posting what she did, but it's unclear exactly what she meant. I'm not going to worry about it, though. If I get a "warning" for saying something that someone doesn't like, I'll attempt to discuss the matter in a civil manner. It just seems to me that the TOS already establish the rules of the game. I'm going to read her message to mean "let's make the best of this place by emphasizing the positive, the altruistic, and by eschewing the conspiracy theories and negative agendas." Correct me if I've misunderstood, admins. Peace and respect to you, Lyrra. I'm sorry if your job seems thankless sometimes, but please trust that there are lots of us who appreciate the Rosity staff. Hey, howzabout that Cave Troll in "Fellowship?" I liked that troll. I felt sorry for him, tortured by Orcs and all. Maybe some trolls just need a hug. (collective groan...)

That thread was locked to avoid it becoming a flamewar in its own right. "non-constructive negative" is an awkward construct, I agree. the simple rules: No calling each other rude names No insulting another members family/race/country/religion/rendering engine/OS/platform No negative comments meant simply to hurt things that are ok: Negative comments made in a constructive way - for example critiquing an image Civil disagreements Heated debate All of these rules seem to me to be simple courtesy and common sense. However, a great deal of it has been lacking recently. I for one am very tired of reading 200+ posts of screaming brats. I don't have kids for a reason, okay? We will attempt to moderate this forum without censoring. If at any time you feel a thread or comment has been deleted unnecasarily, please contact a moderator or admin. Lyrra the Overworked

"No insulting another members"~snip~"OS/platform" aww the mac / pc debate and the windoze / *nix debate both not allowed?!?!?!? Lyrra, but then my funny debate post in vector with theglenster over macs would be a bad post. he posted "appleappleapple"......"appleillustratorillustrator" I posted "saucesuacesuace"....... it was worth a chuckle. heated debate's can often be easily mistaken as "flaming" maybe a post by a mod / admin of " -0^0- " ( a pair of glasses ) to remind people in a heated debate to mind the rules? this could help avoid the deleting of a thread when it isn't required, and the negative feelings / attitudes that such deletions would engender.

'non-constructive negative or derogatory manner Should say "non-constructive or derogatorty manner' I assumed it was supposed to read ''non-constructive, negative or derogatory manner' ie. with the missing comma making sense of the whole thing. But since Lyrra (who wrote it), didn't see fit to correct it, who am I to push my paddle in? I mean, that's just being non-constructive, negative and derogatory, isn't it? LOL. mac

"Are people so thin-skinned, so emotionally fragile, that they can't bear the slightest whiff of conflict?" Hell, look what happens you make a comment in the galleries sometimes.....

Just trolling by.

Scott, (LOL!) The Chow Dog is posed Just right! (needs a trolling motor on the back of the boat though, doncha think!) Nicely done! - TJ

"No insulting another members family/race/country/religion/rendering engine/OS/platform" Ok, what constitutes an "insult"? If I, as a person who's genetically about 1/3 German, make a joke about Germans not having a sense of humor, say, does that mean ipso facto that I'm insulting them? (And if they think I am, doesn't that prove my point?) I'm not (just) trying to be a pain in the ass, but what it comes down to, no matter how it's parsed, is a judgment call on the part of the mods. "I for one am very tired of reading 200+ posts of screaming brats." Honey, you may be in the wrong line of work.

"BTW Mosca, I thought you were leaving? Haha, it's hard to stay away from this place, isn't it? ;)" Just when ya t'ink yer finally out, dey pull you back in!

In my experience it's better to let things like this die on their own. Usually when admins try to over officiate everything things tend to get worse. But at least it gives em something to do I guess. :)

The motor fell off about a mile back bikermouse. That's what they're trolling for. 8-)

LOL!

What are they using for bait?

Un coup de dés jamais n'abolira le hazard
S Mallarmé

Images of victoria standing in front of a temple with a sword. Oh, and she's naked of course.

A nude picture of Vickie wearing a helmet and holding a sword. The motor is a "Johnson".

Scott your killing me...LOL....Legume, actually some people, I think, maybe just a little more sensitive then others. I know that I have days where my skin is so thick I am surprised my blood runs through it, and then there are other days, well, I am transparent. Sharen

A Johnson? Just another babe looking for baby oil.

Un coup de dés jamais n'abolira le hazard
S Mallarmé

Scott, if she "wearing a helmet" then she isn't nude. ~L~ looking for the nuketo recompense me for Scott's pun

No insulting another members family/race/country/religion/rendering engine/OS/platform.....hummmmm....you better post this in the rhino forum, too. i've never heard a good thing about rhino's native renderer. oh, my.

"Are people so thin-skinned, so emotionally fragile, that they can't bear the slightest whiff of conflict?"

Quite a few are. Forums like this are so different than other communications and too many end up huffing away and holding grudges after their first conflict. If you can't argue with someone in one discussion and not carry it into another then you don't have any business in the forums.

...... Kendra

You know also, alot of us come here (well I should speak for myself).....again...one more time....I come here because of lots of reasons, I also can get away from my reality life for a while and jump into things that I really care about...so it is like an outlet....critisim I can take, cruelty is not necessary. I think that is what people are concerned about and I don't blame them. Sharen

Quite right Sharen! If you're going to use this site as a weapon to injure, hurt, destroy or pressure; If you get your life philisophy from the WWF, than you've got a problem. Not that long ago, a luminary here proudly compared this forum to a high powered rifle. This as the mad snipers were picking off people in the Washington area. I, for one, will not stay here if this sort of acting out continues. I just don't need it. Cheers, Q

Un coup de dés jamais n'abolira le hazard
S Mallarmé

Damn. Ah well - this is just my mark of d'book, y'all. /P

How about a permanent ban on anyone who posts a "I'm leaving Renderosity forever" thread? Those damn things ALWAYS end up bashing somebody, and the person almost NEVER leaves.

lol ... Legume - you might be right ... but be carefull - sometimes people simply HAVE to leave 'cause of money-issues, they are just sad or their lifes just changed ... Most people just don't think about the weight of the word 'forever' - but you should give them a chance to think it over ;o). The biggest problem is: Noone reads messages like: I'll leave Renderosity maybe ?? (but - wait - it might's worth a try) For the statement about the negative non-constructive: I think there are limits ... If Legume would call me a total a...h... I would just laugh ... - If I would be called this from an unknown without any reason it would be different. I think all things can be discussed out and banning someone somewhere is the last solution (well, it's a pretty fast and easy one too) and should be thought over well. It's easy to destroy and hurt - but not so easy to build up and heal

How about a permanent ban on anyone who posts a "I'm leaving Renderosity forever" thread? man, i am so on the brink of doing just this. and, hey now...most of my major friends are already banned. ain't nothin' wrong with hangin out at poserpros, by my way of thinkin'... errrr....could i just "borrow" your armadillo for my swansong speech? or, like just post another render of him, so i can try and draw my own model???? pretty please, with..."i'm never gonna quit naggin' ya on top?" doc...i am just kidding about the armadillo..at least the model part...but, i would love another render of it, here, cause i hate to search for junk in the galleries....please don't make me wander into pink pony land...oh, please, oh, please....

Well Legume you are right, that does happen alot....but it might just be a moment they are having...LOL, I do understand what you mean though...but it is not a big deal... I really think the whole point to this is the cruelty factor....it is just not necessary. Like you Legume, you know what it is like, not everybody has the same taste and you for one has been the target for many....you handle it better then most, but you know how it feels when some comments just aren't necessary. Sharen

Bookedy markedy.

My hope is that the results will boil down to a simple enforcing of the rules, which has often been lax. Hopefully, it will equate to the most basic tenat of virtually every religion: "Don't be a jerk. And you know what I mean by jerk."

There's a fairly simple answer. You have a special place where people can indulge in all of the antics that you don't want to see happening in the technical forums. If people want to slag off a company's practices, they can do it there. If they want to have a fight about something or other, they can do it there. Bitch about unfair admin policy; complain about types of art; complain about complainers about types of art; debate site wars and commercial conspiracies - members can dump to their heart's content in the litter tray provided. If this psychiatric ward exists, and all the Randle Patrick McMurphys are permitted 'freedom of speech' without Nurse Ratchet coming in and over-applying the forum equivalent of electro-convulsive therapy; then not only will no one ever need to be smothered - no one will have any excuse for throwing sanitary equipment through the windows of the technical forums. And with no excuse, the technical forums can justifiably be ruthlessly pruned of outbreaks of crap (and there's even somewhere to dump it). A nice name for the new forum could be "Complaint and Debate". BTW, Lyrra, your OS is utterly beneath contempt. I spit on the mother and father and distant aunt of your operating system.

well, said, PJ...wow...could we dream of such a place? errrr...didn't i know you in another renderosity life? a long ago, and far away place? sorry, must have been a dream. but, but, but...in that dream, we did have some great fun verbally trying to rip out one another's vital organs. i shall dream of this place tonight. who know? stranger things have happened...tomorrow i may wake up, check this place and find that it is no longer kansas. oh, and...btw....what is your favorite renderer?

Legume, elgeneralisimo finds your lack of compassion for the sufferers of Rebuked Dilettante Immolation Syndrome... disturbing...

LOL@ PJF - it does seem that the "upsets" here have become more common since removing that forum. What I don't understand is the reason to make the post at all - if the point was as Lyrra posts above than there was no reason for a specific topic addressing it - that is already covered in the TOS as it stands. And I gotta agree with Mosca you may be in the wrong line of work ;~D Just because people disagree or voice their opinions doesn't make them a screaming brat. Ya want to see a screaming brat you should have been at my house this week - two 6 month old twins (they were preemies so they can't sit up or crawl yet and are getting "antsy") who are both teething, a 2year old child with no manners or respect who screams at everyone and breaks everything he lays his hands on. Add to that my own 3 wonderful kids (I can say that after this week, since all 3 of mine from 16 down to 9 helped take care of her kids while she played computer games and they didn't fight or mouth even once all week! I think they might be aliens....) and you have a really chaotic household and a real mess that puts you almost a week off your schedule while you are fighting that awful virus that's going around. Now that's tiring!

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Oh wait - I missed the inability to have a negative comment on a rendering engine or OS Ok - so now I get it and see the real reason for this... Funny thing is that while all the other "topics" are covered legally I don't think anyone has even tried to enact a law that states you can't make negative comments in regards to a company or software before... that's a different first. So if I read this correctly one could post that software "A5" is awful and crashes their computer or doesn't come with any 4-legged creatures as long as they leave constructive comments on how to fix it? But warning others of buggy software; let's say a new version "A5.5" came out, would not be tolerated? And furthermore this new version of the TOS is only thus far being applied in the Poser forum? Or is it being applied to all application forums? I just want to know exactly how that is supposed to work and exactly where it applies. Thank you :-D

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I resonate fully with the above message from LadySilverMage. Great insight and a clever way of stating it. LadySilverMage, did you ever see the movie "Pleasentville"?

Yes, Lapis I have - but I make a point to live my life in as much colour as possible. :-D

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-Galileo

Personally, I think if people adhered to the advice in the OT forum: "Remember to stick to discussing issues, not members. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.", half of the problems would dissipate. Far too often people disagree with others' comments and/or opinions and wield it as a weapon against them personally rather than discussing it maturely.

Of course, there seems to be quite a wide interpretation of what a "personal attack" is, so clarification on what constitues a "personal attack" would be in order. It seems that some cannot distinguish between commentary, critcism, and/or personal attacks.

/me coloring a bookmark with smiley faces and happy people

personal attack, my definition by example. you sticking low life sob cyber stretch. non personal attack, my definition by example. " Scott, if she "wearing a helmet" then she isn't nude. ~L~" ( post 31 in this thread ) does that help clarify a non personal attack for you?

Jaqui scribbled you sticking But what is he sticking to? Is the sticky stuff he's sticking to commercially available or is it still in the testing stages? Does it have general application capabilities or is it designed just for sticking forum members to something and what is the something it's designed to stick people to? and scrawled some more low life sob Hrrm, so what's the difference between sorrow for a low life and sorrow for high life? Is this stating that only low life types can sob? Do high life people not cry/weep/sob or do they have other means of portraying something that apparently is the sole domain of a low life so that they aren't associated with a low life. It's been my experience that high life entities go out of their way to avoid resembling low life entities even though the larger majority of high life entities actually do low life things more often than a low life. Do they have their tear glands removed perhaps? Enquiring minds want to know? Jaqui fell over the space bar cyber stretch And how far can cyber stretch. Cyber is the intro part of the term cybernetics, cyberspace and cybercafe etc.. I've not seen them stretch too far as they all have limits and cyberspace unlike real space doesn't show the reactions to gravity that normal space does, nor does it appear to follow any rational definitions of space because it's actually pretty crowded. And if cyber can't stretch does that mean that inorganic limb replacements containing power cells and nerve/neural interfacing to operate similar to a natural limb wouldn't have the same bending stretching qualities as a normal limb making them no fun on a rack when torturing people? And if a woodchuck was cybered, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if the woodchuck could chuck wood? Back on topic And finally... this new rule that is used to wield old rules strikes me as a knee jerk reaction to several things that could have easily been avoided if only existing rules were applied evenly across the board for everyone on this place rather than randomly applied unevenly by people who judge things by an internal grading machine rather than site rules utilising eroneous definitions such as "moron factor" and "non-constructive negative" and similar such nonsense, and allow the "all members are equal but some are more equal than others" atmosphere to propogate in the first place. Also, Renderosity management were more than aware of the consequences of closing and deleting the old C&D forum. While that forum was universally ridiculed by large numbers of people it did have the advantage of keeping certain topics comfortably encased within it's walls and having a happy and generous crew available ready to flame/discuss anything into oblivion. Once that forum and it's "tension release" facilities were removed it was predictable that topics previously trapped in there would over-flow to other forums. Creating the OT forum for "discussion" was laughable. Reinstate C&D and use it once again as the general dumping ground of all posts not seen as desirable to have in other forums and things will quieten down to their pre-C&D deletion days. Alternatively burn Curious Labs, Microsoft, NVIAT image makers and AOL at the stake on the Whitehouse Lawn and perhaps a lot of the current "heated debates" will go away and leave the Disneyfication of Renderosity to continue unabated.

These are not new rules. These are the old rules stated in plain language for those who seem to be unable to interpret them as they are stated in the TOS. This and the previous announcements are merely to let you all know that they will in fact be enforced by an annoyed moderator (me) The Powers that be have authorised me to enforce the TOS more than I have previously. If you are not in the habit of picking fights and being rude to people, than you have nothing to worry about. This is the last response I will make to this thread. Have a nice day Lyrra the Seriously Vexed (Moderator)

"If you are not in the habit of picking fights and being rude to people, than you have nothing to worry about." Uh-oh....

"the Disneyfication of Renderosity" Love it. But trust me when I say C&D will NEVER be reinstated. No skateboarding in the mall!

Reads over thread, boggles All this because I made Nosfiratu have a hissy? Wow! oh wait - must add something constructive Ummm... I agree with PJF. Have fruitful Renders. Mice ROCK! <----- Ironbear the seriously bemused.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

Oh I know that Mosca, the PTB here have managed to show a considerable ability to miss grasping reality on many occassions. I'm resigned to the fact that it's an ongoing thing that basically is worthy of pointing and snickering at but little else. Ironbear stumbled into his keyboard Have fruitful Renders.* Erm, constructive... oh erm. err... Oh I'm not good at constructive stuff. I know. Try adding a clothing item to NVIAT scenes and find out how easy it is to add clothing to poser figures. There, even managed a learning thing too. Cool. :) Ironbear. Mice suck, especially cutesy blasted mice in clothing and houses that have Stuart Little superiority complexes. Should be turned into roadkill. Oh wait, that's not constructive that's non-constructive negative. Oh oops... Oh no, I'm going to be disappeared. Eek These are not new rules. No, they're not, just ambiguously stated reinforcement of existing rules creating a possibility open to vast amounts of interpretation and application shrug Would have been better off posting the relevant section of the TOS than re-interpreting it. :) Where's my mouse ears?

You guys are just sooooooo negative. Stop it. Stop it I say. I can't bear to hear it all. I'm trying to develop thicker skin and all but my epidermal cloning project has hit a slight glitch. Need more time. Okay now for something positive. Happy happy joy joy. Happy happy joy joy. Not positive enough you say....then how about... It's a small world after all, it's a small world after all. It's a small world after all, its a small, small, world. How's that for balance at Disneyosity?

Iron Bear, Yeah, Mice Rock! - TJ

Lyrra - that's teh point - in a way. There should have been no need to state this it's the TOS after all - except that adding the rendering engine and OS is a brand new spin - and since it's only in this the Poser forum it seems a bit obvious. Disagreements are not "picking fights". I wonder though since DAZ creates Poser items and will have Studio will they get their own forum? Or will it just be a Studio forum?

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Dont know much about the troll thing, But I'd like to say to everyone, Have a Merry Holiday and a Wonderful new year! I look forward to seeing all of your new art! Poser is a delightful gallery, as a newbie, I just love the renders that are there now and look forward to more! Be safe! Kathy

And Scott...... I love the boat!

All mice outside of those subjected to gratuitously torturous experimentation in laboratories should be exterminated for the disease laden vermin they are.

Look at the mouse photo gallery on this
URL. Hey they've had their shots - poor guys. They make great pets, I'll bet.

On the other hand you may be able to grow new teeth rather than get dentures sometime in the far future thanks to the brave little lab mice. When L.D. said he couldn't find any mouse teeth picts I did a search and found this out - alas no picts of teeth.

• TJ
  (bikermouse wanders off remembering the Star Trek episode "The Trouble With Tribbles" and wonders if they've perfected 'transporters' yet.)

"All this because I made Nosfiratu have a hissy? Wow!" snicker The following is my personal opinion as a fellow Renderosity member posting on my personal time, not as an employee of Curious Labs, Inc. - Don't flatter yourself, Ironbear. If you hadn't bothered to read my last post to: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=991590 I take responsibility for this debacle you seem to be proud of. I wrote: "All, I am the one to blame for Anthony's decision to leave this forum permanently. On Saturday, I created these test scenes in response to a user having problems setting up his rendering options for FireFly. Late Saturday night, Anthony asked me if I could post the first scene and I said sure. He also asked Joe Grover if he could post his test scene with the Elephant. I sincerely didn't think posting these images would cause so much controversy and Anthony's decision to leave. I can not ask him to reconsider. He is a dignified person and friend who I dare not question his decision or reason for doing so. But please accept my apologies for ever letting him post. I accept all the blame. No one else." Now, before you go put on your paint, start beating on your chest for your self-proclaimed victories and start whooping out a rebel yell, think of all the negativity you caused on this forum. Personally, I think you are the one that gets into these "hissy" fits on the Poser forum but can't own up to it. You should call yourself "Ironbore", because your humor and tact, quite frankly, bore me. I really do hope you are thicked skinned, but your callousness already reveals that. To everyone reading this post, I leave with a positive, personal wish: Have a safe and happy holiday season and be well. Looking forward to hearing from you all in the New Year! -DefaultGuy

Ouch! Brian. As much as you are correct about Ironbear being a major pain in the ass. I would like to offer some friendly advice: Don't poke the bear. It will only make him louder. He may snore occasionally. But he doesn't make any noise when he's asleep. ;-) Get outta here any enjoy your vacation already. ScottA

snicker Heh. But I can snicker in living technicolor. ;] I am pretty thick skinned. But that's only needed dealing with someone like PJF who is actually skilled at what you just tried. ;] Have a happy holiday.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

See ya ScottA!!! Have a great holiday season. I'll be back when it's bear season...

"All this because I made Nosfiratu have a hissy? Wow!" How little you know me, Ironbear.

"As much as you are correct about Ironbear being a major pain in the ass." Question for mods: Is this a personal attack and if so, what are the repercussions for this. Just want to know what the rules are and if they will be evenly applied across the board.

Relax guys, it's duck season. Let's all go have a beer at The CrazyHorse Saloon in Phoenix! cheers, - TJ

My point is if IB or maybe a few others directed this kind of obvious personal attack they'd be issued there walking papers. Perhaps its goose season as in whats good for the goose is good for the gander. ...and now for that big, bad lock.

Doan sweat it Lapis. DefaultGuy... or possibly more accurately "raebnori", isn't large caliber enough to do "bear season". Strictly small bore. ;] Wabbit Season, Bikermouse. ;]

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

Sure, Tj, if the beer at CrazyHorse Saloon is frothy and cold, I'm game. Maybe, I can stop over in Phoenix when the Diamondbacks win the Series a second time! My best, -DefaultGuy

...oh did I say bear season? I meant to say, I'll be back when the beer is in... Must be the cellular static.

Lapis. My message was not a personal attack because I didn't call Ironbear an ass. I just aknowledged the fact that he acts like one. My message was actually in defense of Ironbear in a round about way. I didn't want to see another war start over his mouth. However, Since you're so concerned about people being treated equally. And since you're so eager to see me get some kind of reprimand. I feel compelled to not let you down. Therefore: I feel that it's appropriet to say at this time that you've been a bit of a pain in the ass yourself since you've crawlled in here. Saying nothing but stupid and negative things and not helping anyone do anything except to form a lynch party against CL and their employees. At no time have you said anything that's remotely intelligent. And we are all dumber for reading what you've written up to this point. It's policy to give out warnings to people privately. But I request that the warning that I deserve for printing this personal attack on Lapis be posted here in this thread. So that he and his other little ban of idiots will see that the rules apply to me as well as them. LET ME HAVE IT! :-) ScottA

/me runs in and smacks Scott around with a wet noodle. Behave or I will have to get the BORE worms! (10 points to anyone who can guess that movie reference)

"Flash Gordon ... is ALIVE?"

I had a... thing... for Klytus. Wish someone would model him. (hint hint)

Oooh... Fascinating. The children have come out to play in their new sandbox. Cool. :)

Hisminky, "Rath of Khan" on Alpha Ceti V. The Bore Worms were the only indigenous life form left on that planet after AC VI was destroyed causing disaterous climataic change on AC V. or something like that. or were you refering to the wet noodle?

Here's a reference image. Time for this old bugger to get things packed for my holiday time with the wife's family. Bless each and every one, -DefaultGuy

I have a fondness for Parasitic aliens, from the critters in "Aliens" to the Star Trek earwig things to Bore Worms in "Flash Gordon". CrytoPooka nailed it - Flash Gordon.

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Sorry, meant CryptoPooka... this cough syrup's got my keys moving again. Blast it.

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Cryto Pooka OMG. A new Female Superhero. see me swoon at Klytus.

coughs Can someone please explain to me why it is so bloody difficult just to be nice to each other? What is it about this concept that is so difficult to understand?

Do I get credit for not retaliating?

Lapis,

I'll give you credit for not retaliating. I also have to give credit to Scott for an inspired and hysterical verbal barrage. Then again, I'm so new, my credit giving means squat.

One newbie observation that is probably objective because I don't know any of you: Whether it is over here, or over in the threads at PP, certain individuals regularly exhibit an over-inflated opinion of themselves and not surprisingly, it is the same individuals on both web sites. I'm wondering why anybody pays attention to these people? Or, would ignoring them be bad form?

Inspired?

Fyrespirit: That's easy, it's because they're like spoiled little children, have to have their little bit of limelight and spirits help anyone that dares try to take it away or question it. They're just acting out. A hissy here, a hissy there and a bit of tantrum stomping when they get their legs slapped. It is rather sad and pathetic to see CL employees reducing themselves and responding in the manner of a lowly forum weasel - especially as they are company representatives - personal time or not, but it is true to displayed form and method for them. Besides, this is their new pet forum and site, and they want to play in it. :) Expect to see more of it. Migal whittered: inspired and hysterical verbal barrage Say what? Oh my, you really haven't been here long have you? Little Scottie's tirade up there is not a verbal barrage and hardly inspired or hysterical. He's done better in the past - ok not often but he has - but it's a rather feeble attempt compared to some of the messages in this and other forums. Don't worry, unfortunately you'll see some more if you hang around and then you'll see how rather sad Scott's actually is. I reckon he's just trying to press buttons and get someone to shout TOS.

Oh oops, forgot the paragraph break in that one. Oh for an EDIT POST facility here... :(

Yes, inspired. As in, a good effort. A nice try. A worthy contribution to my otherwise humorless morning, almost like he'd received divine creative assistance. I do not intend that as an insult to you. I know neither you nor him, so I really can't testify as to the accuracy of Scott's statement. I'm just complimenting his wit.

Yes, yes, this has been immensely fascinating and all but it still doesn't answer the really important question, Does Lyrra's "moderating leathers" have studs or not ?

Questor, I wish I could find some of the funnier threads. I stumble around and look through history, and I certainly see a lot of anger and bravado, but I haven't been lucky enough to hit a really good batch of comedy. In case you're wondering, there is a specific reason I liked Scott's volley. That one particular paragraph directed at Lapis (bless his being a good sport about it), was refreshingly blunt. There's so much innuendo and agenda here that I absolutely loved watching somebody throw subtlety out the window and basically spout, "Guess what? I don't like you." Granted, it's probably easy for me to laugh because I have no personal affiliations. Of course, that's the beauty of being nobody.

And of course, Emperor Ming dint like anyone. Well except for Dale. Please tell me someone is modeling Klytus? Please?

I'll take a stab it him over my vacation time off. This will give me a chance to get caught up with 3D Studio Max 5. Anyway, my family and I got a plane to caught later on today. Take care and be well, -Brian

Migal. Guess what I don't like you. That's perfectly acceptable under Renderosity guidelines. Being refreshingly blunt isn't. Now I'll give you that, Scott was refreshingly blunt which is contrary to recent behaviour from him where he's been irreverant, silly, downright daft, amusing and evasive. Blunt he was, and it was refreshing, but it's not allowed here. The tone, personal nature and language used in his comment to Lapis goes against the "laws" on this site. Of course, Scott will get away with it, whereas myself or Lapis or some others would get a warning or a 24 hour ban for it. But that's part of the amusement here. Finding ways to insult people without getting caught doing it. You see, the big black eared mouse that runs this site has a problem with allowing people to self regulate themselves, so we're all reduced to saying things in as round about a way as possible. That's why you're finding lots of anger and argument and very little achievement - but if you look closely you'll see a great deal of amusement also. It takes 10 to 20 posts for some people to say "screw you pal you're an ass" because it has to be done in the Disney way. This results in long threads full of screeching, screaming and howling, rather than half a dozen posts. Perhaps the most amusing thing in this case is that this thread had been dead for 24 hours before someone chose to re-awaken it. Personally I could give a flying F*&k at a rolling donut what people want to call each other but rules are rules and this site has rules. It has rules for the members, rules for other members, more and different rules for certain individuals and no rules at all for a very few where they're allowed to arbitrarily describe the entire population as morons. :) Welcome to Renderosity, home of obfuscation, rhetoric, pointless verbiage and a great deal of strangeness. It's better than lying in a sewer waiting for the flush and more entertaining than co-starring in a three-stooges movie. :)

you're getting closer Scott - but Q is definitely not a moron - more like a bloody wanker ;) lol

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh....I am almost reminded of the old C&D forum and threads I used to love to lurk about and read for neverendign amusement. waxes nostalgic sits in reflection basks in the memories Okay...nostalgia's all done. ;o)

Err... Not to change the subject, but, since you're here... I'm a big fan of your art, Emily.

OH! Thank you very much Migal! That was really unexpected in this particular thread. LOL! I have to bow out of this thread now. So much hostility is just not good for my innocent and pure eyes. snicker

Hmm... "MORON", "DUMBASS" and "FOOL" definitely fit the bill as personal attacks. "SMACK YOUR PEEPEE" gave me a really awful visual. Guess I wont be having Vienna Sausages for lunch now.

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