Okay you got it. If you want help, you need to dedicate some alotted time to a forum. Pick the place and time, then meet up there, with a well informed rhino user. First; how similar are rhino and gmax. you work with wire mesh editing correct? vortex objects? in gmax we type in parameters or pull on arrowtabs on the model itself. The working model can be a grouped object or seperate pieces. You can see how detailed this could get, eh friend?__ If you are serious and want to really buckle down on this, you really need to ask specifics, in the proper forum. Although I have rhino as well(you already know that,eh), I found it to be rather confusing and buggy. felt like I got ripped on that one, but now with gmax(a free modeling program DL'ed from TurboSquid.com)I am even more confused. heheee but I am learning gradually through the gmax BAT forums. It's a patience and step by step process, type deal._____ Hope that helps lead you to the correct advice. Now, Chicken yeah it looks like a bird of sorts. more exotic I think, than domestic.