Hi all In response to some comments, I've submitted this blown up/original image 'I had to crop it to keep it under the 512k but keep the quality its still at 86% quality. Before I altered the lighting rendered as Vues fantastic lighting can, with a bit of touch up around the elbows etc. I think it would be better, I alter all my renders to suit the character and feeling. Being a Neromancer she dances and controls the dead, and she herself is dead that is why I left her as smooth as possible to give an un-natural look and feel in contrast to the real/living clothing and surroundings that she loved and made her feel special. I didn't want her to look mouldy or disgusting because they are supposed to have been of extreme beauty in life and can't give up on mortal life destined to walk in shadows and not be seen and doing nasty things, jealous of the living the lighting is trying to reflect this. Uwe was right about the bump on the wall and I think the floor and bench needed more ummph as well. I sometimes miss this in excitement of showing my work and sometimes to bring out the front character 'adds more depth'. I'm trying to create art, tell a story, not always realism. In fairness I should write a little background about the things i'm trying to achieve I always assume the viewer is of the same thought patterns and ideas and can see what i'm trying to do. Thankyou for all your comments I much prefer someone to be moved to point out the floors, as we know this is how we improve, I just feel I shouldn't explain every picture to the point of lecturing, many of you are better than me anyway. Once again many thanks for your comments I really appreciate them and we all should be moved by art, thats why it's there. Chris Poole Ps this is the third attempt trying to upload this, keep having to downgrade the image it won't always accept anything close to 512k.