I'm beta-testing a new set for apollo maximus by pdxjims. It has definition morphs, clothes (the ones he's wearing for example) and boots, which I turned into shoes by hiding the legs. The skin texture and several different tones and different amounts of facial hair also come with him as well as that hairy head texture. Oh and different faces as well to make it easier to make a character. It hardly took me any time at all to create this character in my pic. The gym doesn't come with him. That's the wonderful model by Stringy. Now tell me where this pic should have gone. I posed in poser (that was the most time consuming part) although apollo is easier to pose than daz figures. And I dressed him in poser, but I rendered in carrara. I never actually render in poser, but I love poser and use it for everything else short of the actual render. Love Esther PS no postwork in this pic at all (unusal for me not to have even a teensy bit)