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Poser People posted on Feb 24, 2007
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Alright...so I have this idea for the MP that I think I briefly mentioned a few posts ago...well maybe over a week now. Anyway... Can't put up in progress renders 'cause I know it'll take me forever to get it all the way I want it and don't want my idea to get done by somebody else in the meantime. So you don't get full on previews, but you get partial ones at least. :) This is one of the poses that will likely go in the pack. It's my first time really doing poses from scratch and I'm learning alot already. Namely that it seems to take forever to even get close to what I want and then longer to tweak it closer only to still not be completely satisfied. But I'll keep plugging away at it. Just popped her up against a primitive prop for now so y'all could see it. Didn't try to avoid the hair pokethrough issues with it either, so I know those are there. Thanks for the recent comments and favorites and please do feel free to leave constructive criticism of the pose. That's the best way to learn. :) Have a great weekend. John CREDITS =========== V4 Basics (outfit) - DAZ Amarseda Hair - DAZ Fashion Studio (Backdrop & Light) - DAZ Pose - YAY ME! :D LOL

Comments (29)


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Unicornst

12:34AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

I'm liking it. May I suggest something that might be even cuter to do? Try putting her let hand on her knee like the right hand is. She might appear even more relaxed tht way.

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irakika

12:56AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Nicely done!

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BarbieDahl

12:56AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

I like the pose...not sure what you are up to...but I'll find out eventually :P Great work John.

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leehilliard

1:57AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

well done and good luck with your project.

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shanpoo

2:08AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

I like the pose just fine. Her movement seems natural which is very good. When doing poses I would suggest you rotate the character all around to make sure all sides of her even pointing ahead looks good. Cant wait to figure out this mystery project of yours..Shannon ;}

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brycek

2:21AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Nice work John..love her pose!!

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FS

2:50AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Excellent work John!!

jdehaven

3:07AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Hey John, abiding by your wish to receive critique of the pose: Overall, it is an excellent start, I think her back might be a little stiff to be resting-thinking of a natural way that you would slouch against an object. Her hand, using the neutral pose, is sort of clutching the stomach and creates the impression of discomfort. Her head and neck are also in the default pose, adjusting these would help add some character. hope this helps, Its great you are creating an entire set- the experience alone is gonna make you a master of it!

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erlandpil

3:11AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Another sweet pictuere erland

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AGentleMuse

3:49AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Looking good!!

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awadissk

5:19AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Very well done work!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RodolfoCiminelli

5:21AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Very good experience....!!!! Great work......!!!!

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MeredithWilson

7:48AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Dear John, Im almost half way finished with the Citation stuff! Because of the computer problems this morning, I ended up doing an evening session to catch up. Saturday is going to be a light day and on Sunday I dont have anything scheduled. Im gonna use the time to do some more studying and to maybe take a couple of naps to catch up on sleep!! Next week is really going to be the crunch time! Im gonna have to go back to work to rest up from my vacation!!!! After getting powered sugar on my keyboard this morning while eating French toast I was surprised that it still worked!!! Ill have our long suffering IT guys look it over when I get back home. It certainly wont be as bad as the time I dumped in a bottle of nail polish!!!!! Whoops!!!!! ;-) While Im on vacation and doing pilot training, Im going to need to continue doing a lot of cut and pasting with just a tiny little real comment added!! Im really sorry, but I just dont have much time right now to write my usual wacko stuff! Ill be back on March 3rd!! I've already probably used up my two cents worth of advice tonight, but here's maybe a penny more!!! ;-) There are a number of things that can speed up the posing process. One is as I said previously to photograph your wife or even yourself in the pose and then "copy" it to the character. Trust me, it works a lot easier and a lot quicker. Do twenty or so pictures, then set up the poses bang bang bang!!!! Use inverse kinetics to get the hand and feet where you want them - this is a BIG labor saver! BUT - before you adjust the actual hand or body part, turn off IK - use it just for moving!! Also - VERY important - make sure that IK is turned off before you save the pose. Poser's numericic routines for IK are VERY subject to something called gimbal lock!! Actually all of their rotations are subject to it. The result is that you can get weird rotations stored away if you have IK turned on. For example, the wrist might be bent 15 degrees - Poser MIGHT save that as 735 degrees - 15 degrees plus two full rotations!! You save the pose and it looks fine - reload it and it's spaghetti!!!! Autobalance has the same problems. Turn it on for standing figures to get a more natural stance, but ALWAYS turn it off before you save the pose!!! TRY to do all your poses with "use limits" turned on - but turn this back off when you save the pose. Use limits will help prevent unnatural joint rotations. Our elbows are a hing joint that can only move on a single axis - Poser be deafult uses a ball joint and allows totally unnatural motions. Use Limits will stop this. This is another reason to work from photos because you'll automatically exclude unnatural movements. It takes a bit more work, but your poses will be much more realistic. Vicky's shoulder joints are in the wrong place!! The GUYS at Daz have apparently never seen a real girl - so they gave Vicky guy shoulders!!! You can fix a lot of this by bending her collarbones down 5 to 10 degrees and use that position as your default!!! Load Vicky and zero all the joint rotations. Look from the front camera!! Take a picture of your wife or have her pose standing straight up for a moment and lower the collarbones until the line from the top of the shoulder to the neck mataches a real girl. Now lower the shoulders down to 70 or so degrees so Vicki's arms are hanging straight down along her sides. Again compare to your wife!! Adjuse the collar and shoulder rotations until they match your wife. This is your default starting position for future posing. Again, 5 to 10 degrees on the collar bones should do it. For arms above the head, adjust both the shoulders and collarbones - again - get your wife to help you. The collar roations can go as high as 30 to 40 degrees. This will prevent weird breast deformations that happen when you do it all with the shoulders. It is better to move the thigh than the buttocks!! We only have one ball joint per side in our hips! That has to be the center of rotation for all mvoement. Vicki's got different centers (or at least did) of rotation for the thigh and buttocks - impossible except for an octopus!! The thigh rotation is closer to a girl's rotation - the buttocks rotation is from an alien or something!!! Also, the spherical fall off zones get tangled up when you use both. The MORPHS on the buttocks will help for extreme positions - like a split, but do your rotations with the thighs. Take a look at my Christmas Ballet Meredith_0221 - that is all thigh rotations with buttocks morphs!! Meredith's joint are right because they are measure from my own joints but I still avoid the buttocks because if I try to use the pose with another character it will mess them up!! Hmmm - this may be more than a penny's worth of soapbox time!! ;-) IM me with any questions about this. I don't know if you've been using IK or not!!! Hope this might help a little!!!!!! Love ya!!! Meredith Meredith Elaine Wilson - MeredithLand

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cole4965

7:56AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Very cool V4!!!

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mejed

8:56AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

This is a very natural looking pose, tho, I would tilt the head back just a little bit to appears as if she has her head resting against the box, but thats just me..Great work, cant wait to see more.

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Syltermermaid

9:08AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

A wonderful pose John!!! I bet the pack will be a success!!! She looks so happy and relaxed!!! Marvelous!! Hugs Ute

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boobunny

10:36AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

The pose is great, looks really good at her joints, none of that flat looking stuff that goes on sometimes. Great job.

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CaperGirl42

10:58AM | Sat, 24 February 2007

awesome pose John...I agree looks good on her joints... big hugz anne

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1010

1:44PM | Sat, 24 February 2007

That's a big job John, I just like to click away, hehehe Pretty pose!

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drifterlee

7:25PM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Great pose! Everytime I try to do it from scratch I twist them all up!

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frankiemas

11:29PM | Sat, 24 February 2007

Wow excellent job with her pose and kudos on doing the pose from scratch!!! It seems that even Vicky 4 is just as tough to pose as is Vicky 3. Lot's of head achs trying to pose them myself. Excellent artwork John, I would like to see the entire pack when it's finished!!! Hugsss Frankie ^_^

janedj

5:32AM | Sun, 25 February 2007

Great work John!!!!

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TheAnimaGemini

10:17AM | Sun, 25 February 2007

Looksand sounds great so far. Wish you good luck whith this projekt!!!

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ChristineG

1:46PM | Sun, 25 February 2007

cute lady. love her pose. excellent work Hugs :-D

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MongusKing

2:45PM | Sun, 25 February 2007

Great posing and the hair is awesome!! Xcellent John, as always my friend!!!!

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chimera46

7:43PM | Sun, 25 February 2007

Note to self: Steal Jwiest's poses and put them out on the marketplace, mwahahahah! Oh umm, forget I said that. Seriously though, I think you're off to a good start here. As for suggestions, I'd suggest you do something with the fingers on the right hand, like maybe reduce the "spread" on that hand, bend the fingers in slightly varying ways, etc.

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Gor111

3:56AM | Mon, 26 February 2007

Oh she is a real lovely and cute looking lady! Love the way how you have posed here!!!

robin123

10:00AM | Mon, 26 February 2007

Very nice work my friend

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morin3000

12:38PM | Sat, 31 March 2007

Beautiful girl with a superb composition !!! Have an awesome day ! *****


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