I finally, finally have something more than a boat or glass modelled! My lil pc cannot handle all of the resources in Hexagon and with so many error messages along with trying to learn the proggie,combined they only added to the frustration. Last night sad and discouraged, I saved deleted the few files I had been working on into OBJ files and deleted the original Hex files. I was going to delete the proggie and try Wings3D again, where I had atleast finished a few crude items. While going through the tuts again, something finally clicked! I opened up the proggie and just kept trying the ToonHead tutorial by Nate Owens. I have some real results! And maybe one day I will have a better pc to work with too lol I'm sure it will probably take time to tweak him out more and texturize him, but I have a toon head! Thanks for looking. The ToonHead tut can be found on Nate's site. Thanks Nate! http://www.nateowens.com