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Hey Renderosity Members!!! Actually we are doing nothing else more than Flatter ourselves, why can´t you tell the other the other artist WTF are wrong in theyr compositions, maybe it make us evolute!!! Every Comment i put since here will be truly honest, so be it with me PLEASE!!!! Start here This image is really awful, have too many compositive problems, and with your comments i will solve it!!!

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whirlwind

9:41AM | Tue, 02 October 2007

Thank you, thank you, thank you. R'osity's greatest failing is that it's one big hug-fest... I'm guilty of it too, by remaining silent rather than pointing out when something could be done better. I'll let others point out the design errors, I'll simply start by saying that a camouflage cup doesn't go well with cloud-design plates! :)

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ACS-001

9:44AM | Tue, 02 October 2007

I know this image was intended to be shitty but I'm giving you a 5 for the sentiments you expressed. I totally agree, there's far too much flattery on this site and not enough honesty. If someone made a mistake, you should point it out -- so long as you do so tactfully, and admit it's just a difference of opinion if they say they actually did it on purpose, than you're doing them a service. Renderosity is, too often, just a daisy chain of people kissing each other's asses. I'm glad you think that's as stupid and counterproductive as I do. Cheers.

Kuiski

9:47AM | Tue, 02 October 2007

Puede ser que en vez de un error, alguién pretendiera realizar un tore con esos utensilios, pero sin demasiado éxito. :D Bueno, lo cierto es que es una buena idea, el concepto es genial aunque yo no suelo criticar demasiado, entre otras cosas porque no tengo un ingles muy experto. De todas formas, no todos admiten criticas, he tenido problemas por ese motivo. :(

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ACue

10:01AM | Tue, 02 October 2007

I love it and I hate too. What I hate the most is yellow text over red. Fricken' hate that! Gives me headaches. Lowest rating here. 1. Seriously, I agree with what you're saying, but I also think people are programmed to seek validation. Artists crave feedback. When people post comments, it's not always a case of kissing asses. Sometimes, it's a genuine reluctance to be overly critical and an honest attempt to be supportive. Honesty, of course, is the best and only way to provide constructive comments. Nonetheless, Renderosity is not meant to be a peerless repository of works of "aht, but it is a vibrant, interactive community of amateur and professional artists co-existing in the same virtual space. There will be artists here who pursue a certain genre and participate and enjoy the comment of regulars and friends. The work may not be museum quality, but it is valid and in manyeyes, just great. We also have more serious, accomplished artists and illustrators who post their work here, and who can engage in valid enchanges with other artists. That's my two cents anyway. Thanks for launching the debate!

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Anar_K

11:08AM | Tue, 02 October 2007

Heres my two cents. I'm not a Poser artist.Mainly because I can't afford it.And yes I tried Daz and it blows chunks. As far as critique,theres a category for that which very few here use.I've been around here a couple of years and I've observed a few things. First,some "artists" don't want critique they are self absorbed and feel that everything they create is a masterpiece. Second,there is a small community or "clique" of "artists" who thrive on praise from their comrades and EVERYTHING they post receives pages and pages of ego masturbating praise,thus furthering their inflated ego. Thirdly far too many "artists" are mindless sheep buying the latest character and beating it to death(the last three weeks at least 50 different fair renders of suicidegirlz tattooed girl) As far as favorites go.I have over 800 favorite renders over half the artists haven't even so much as sent a short thank you for favoriting them.shrugs

Magik1

11:39AM | Tue, 02 October 2007

I've just looked back at my gallery for the first time in quite a while and yep, there's mistakes and boo boo's all over the shop so i'm with you.....if it's wrong then say it's wrong, I can take it.....in fact I want it!!

vangogh

12:50PM | Tue, 02 October 2007

I agree with what the above comments have stated....there is way too much mindless hugfest activity here and not enough honest critiquing. I once gave what I thought was an honest critique of one artists work. The image was done very well and it was obvious that the owner had spent much time getting things like composition, lighting and textures to all work together. The one thing that caught my eye like a sore thumb was that the main charactor in the scene had light coming out of her nostrols. I commented on how well everything was done and the only thing that they might want to improve on was the lighted nostrols which really seemed out of place. Well....the next 3 commenters told the artist that I was the one out of place and that the image was perfect just as it was. They said to just ignore my comments as being wrong. So....although I've never seen it in really life....I guess it is accepted practice that light coming out of ones nostrols is a normal thing and something not to worry about. Anyway....the above incident hasn't scared me away from commenting on others work and I intend to continue to critic the things that I find both good and bad about the art that I view.

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jwiest

12:57PM | Tue, 02 October 2007

Gorgeous work! So freaking awesome! :D LOL Great sentiments...I for one mostly just look for stuff I like to look at though and whether it's got a booboo here or there isn't a big deal. I try to offer helpful constructive criticism when I've got something to offer, but that's not super often.

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Bill_Wa

2:53PM | Tue, 02 October 2007

I am not an artist, and therefore feel that I cannot offer critical comments as is suggested here, as I have no basis for them, but in the spirit of this posting, You couldn't draw to an inside straight(just kidding). As to the art itself, at least you aren't tilting at windmills.

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Fidelity2

3:06PM | Tue, 02 October 2007

Very interesting. 5+.

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Rausen

3:15PM | Tue, 02 October 2007

Since there you can see there are people that Comment 4 comment, this job i DO SUCKS, but the concept is the ideal. Come On People of renderosity you have an important point fo view or, why did you upload interesting art? Everyone have their bases, and there we should be strong critics, because many people here wake up some day to Work where they will not lick his ass. We should be strong against the critics. That makes human for nature, Solve problems. SO WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!! This work Sucks How "Fidelity2" tell me that this is very interesting 5+, THIS SUCKS and must have 1-!!!

Valerie-Ducom

6:10PM | Tue, 02 October 2007

Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con Kuiski, yo tambien he tenido un gran problema con una artista, solamente para poner en ingles que no es su idioma y decir solamente lo que yo pensaba mirando su "foto", y vamos, paso del tema porque no tiene nada que ver con el mundo de la fotografia y la critica, sobre todo ella... Hacer una critica es siempre un lio. He hecho mucha veces, poner una linea de tipo (te mando un IM) para poner mi critica negativa. Despues, algunos, se ofende o se pretende ser profesional y no acepta la critica... Bueno, ya sabes de que va este mundo cariño. Somos pocos a tener los ojos abiertos en el arte en general y no sé tomar la gran cabeza en ellos. De todo modo, el mejor es hacer lo que nos gusta con amor y passion. Eso dicho, me gusta tu trabajo en este post, porque es dinamico, artistico y aunque parece facil, lo sé que has pasado horas delante del pc y sobre todo, has dicho lo que piensas :))) Beso cariño y que tengas un feliz día :)

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pakled

6:25PM | Tue, 02 October 2007

well, it's partly that some folks just can't abide criticism (constructive or otherwise)...and tend to rip you a new one. I find it Koyanitsquatsi (sp?) life out of balance. The center cannot hold. The radials are losing their tread, and pitched between dinner and lunch, poly needs a cracker, but perhaps the tris and ngons are not as they seem. It seems jumble, Aya, the yellow stencil and red background suggest a Socialist Surrealism that is not found. A single point of illumination is not enough to bring subtlety to the overall effect, and the Shadows are coming, but don't tell the Minbari..;) Hey, I don't know that much about Composition (other than high school papers..;), the rule of 3s, or even the Fourth Estate. Yet, like the Communist forebears (or foredeers, the Bears are in a slump right now, much like the Cubs), the ability to report adverse praise is ever at the fingertips of those with weak egos, and iot ids...;) there was a thread like this in the Poser forum recently. I should see if there's a connection..;)

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KatesFriend

11:00PM | Tue, 02 October 2007

What of it? There is room in this place for everyone. And if I do not like something I see, I just ignore it and carry on. I expect most viewers are of the same mind. Interesting debate though. Your piece is quirky and surrealistic. Might be do without the slogans, but that's just me.

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tallpindo

5:59AM | Wed, 03 October 2007

There are too sides to critique. Yours is one and the other is the "this sucks." "needs textures" "is just a work in progress" "this is not art" types including the really off the wall ones that seem to be congealed from looking at some other image and just burst from the cache list to hit yours. Art can absorb much in the way of unsusual and immediately eroneous. It can use found objects and still be original. It can be just a dot or just a square. What really needs work here is malaprops where someone has tried but failed to hold a perspective or a scale or where an application just plain does not do an effect right. Even an occasional collision that is not obvious as a pose is struck a long render made and then a new camera angle chosen only to reveal late in the early dawn that the pose that looked so good has the hand not entering a pocket but rather the thigh skin. Somewhere beyond apology and well into sublimation the complexity reveals the profound damage. Money, time and prosecution cannot make art. Only artists make art. It is a positive effort. Tearing down a poster or hammering a wall to rubbble is censorship.

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xesquez

6:02AM | Wed, 03 October 2007

Rausen, I agree with you. Not only there is too much praise, the work that receives the most comments or the highest rating of the day is very often not the best of the day. Not that it is a very big issue but it is sometimes a bit unfair for the less valued artist who put so much creativity and effort in his work. It may have to do with the clique Anar_K is mentionning. The lack of effort is shown in a lot of work where newly purchased items of clothing or poses are implemented without any artistic input to make the work unique and authentic. But although there is mentionned that critical comment is welcome, sometimes receivers of criticism are pretty pissed off. But let's be honest all the work is digital history after a couple of days. By the way: I have a remark about the typography. The bottom line is a bit sloppy. It is better to put it straight or give it the same angle as the line above.

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Zorg1955

2:04PM | Wed, 03 October 2007

RR is an open space to both artists and non artists ! Some of us put flatter comments and some of us critize ones ...That's what this comunity is made of and I would say ...That's life and humanity don't you think so ? ;-)))

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CrimsonDesire

7:24PM | Thu, 04 October 2007

Eh... I likes hugs... Looks fine to mes ^^

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3Dillusions

8:07AM | Tue, 16 October 2007

Yes I agree, I even tell people the mistakes I make in all of my graphics, lol, hows that for criticism, I do it to myself Only way to learn is to make mistakes Angela

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Darkwish

12:46AM | Thu, 21 August 2008

You did very nice pic! Very well!

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SanguinLover

12:37PM | Sun, 05 October 2008

ok, a years worth of comments and NOBODY has gone after the original question. THE COMPOSITION OF THIS PEICE!! which is absolutely terrible! shadows are all wrong, the "balancing" of the peices is crazy, the colors hurt, there is no flow to the peice at all, yet, and here is the funny part, as a "statement" it works, as a peice of "art"? to each there own. as to the insane amount of back-patting that goes on around here? it's a double edged sword. on one hand, we are an artist "community". so we should be supportive of eachother, but on the other hand, is it really being supportive to tell somebody that some thing that looks off or not as good as some of their other peicesis great? how can we learn to be better if we don't know what's wrong. sometimes an objective opinion is all we need to spur us into achieving greater creativity.

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