Hi, well i had problems using the toon shaders with poser rendering in vue. Sometimes, if i had more than one poser figure n the same pz3, the textures would get mixed up - perhaps because of internal naming sameness or something. so now when i need a complicated scene with scenary such as the cave wall, i just render the cave in vue, then composite the poser png with photoshop. I'm slowly finding out what works and what doesn't for tooning. Now i really do have to go away for a week after tomorrow, but don't worry, dear fans, i will be back with more bull. love esther PS could you all help me with the name of a poison. superman has kryptonite. what could harm tauros if a sword was tipped with poison? I thought of minotoxin or taurocide, but it sounded a bit too modern. any ideas? Well if you want to try making comics too, then you probably already know that for the tooning I use poser 7 (or render in vue), using the ART MATERIALS by olivier. I apply these using shaderworks by semidieu. Both these things can be bought at runtimedna. http://www.runtimedna.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=semidieu So, dear fans, read on:-