Its been way too long since ive posted here. Amazing how busy one gets in life. This was created with RealFlow 4 and Lightwave 9.3. Caustics and Radiosity were set to the basic values. The simulation of the water mesh took about 5 minutes to calculate out, 2 or so minutes for RealFlow to make the mesh. The Render took about 45 minutes, without any AA or such. I was hoping it would be faster but its allright for now. I currently use a 3Ghz Core duo machine, with a single Sata 3.0 drive. Its enough for a hobby. I just picked up RealFlow this holiday (friday) so its reasonable considering my lack of experience in the program. All comments welcome, Btw id recommend NOT going the Vista way for graphics just yet. Maybe for games or such but so far, just about all my GFX software has thrown a fit about vista and the 64 bit. I dont regret it, i just wish microsoft kept up with the backwards compatibility issues. So far, the only program that likes vista 64 is ..the 64 bit version of lightwave. Just my opinion however. Have fun Lloyd