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took this yesterday in Oklahoma.finally seen one parked.I was across a 4 lane expressway plus a ditch can you imagine how high these things would be in a set of three? thanks for viewing and any comments Efficiency is important for windmills, because the entire cost is in the technology, not the source of energy, which is wind. The most significant factor determining the efficiency of windmills is the number of blades. This is because more blades capture more energy. But large windmills must use few blades due to stress on the metal. When the diameter of rotation is 300 ft (100 m), two blade systems must be used. When the diameter is 150 ft, three blade systems can be used. Yet windmills are unnecessarily large or too few in blades. Over sea coasts, they must be large; but most places, they could be smaller and use more blades. For homeowners, they are small, yet they are not using the large number of blades which would create high efficiency. The overall efficiency of a windmill has to be directly measured, it cannot be calculated, because there are too many interacting factors. A good guess at design efficiency can be made by direct observation. Only measurements under operating conditions can improve upon direct observation. . Three blade systems are used on wind farms. Overall efficiency means the amount of electricity that can be generated over time on a cost basis. In other words, will a kilowatt hour cost ten cents, twenty cents, or what? Two factors are important in determining overall efficiency of a windmill. One is its ability to use low velocity wind, and the other is its conversion efficiency. The ability to use low velocity wind determines whether the windmill is working or doing nothing while wind velocities are low, which is a large part of the time. For example, an locale might have wind of 15 miles per hour (mph) or greater 20% of the time, and 10 mph or greater 40% of the time. A windmill that can use 10 mph wind is operating 40% of the time, while one requiring 15 mph wind is only operating 20% of the time. To utilize low velocity wind effectively, there has to be more blades. The researchers studied two blade systems. They never even made comparisons to systems with more blades. Conversion efficiency also requires more than two blades. More blades allows lower rpms, which results in less turbulence, so conversion is more efficient. A quagmire of technicalities does not change these overall facts. Arguers will talk about torque and velocity trying to prove something, but it proves nothing, because there are infinite options in integrating all of those factors. For example, they repeatedly say high rpm rotors are needed for generating electricity. That's mindlessness, because the rpms (revolutions per minute) are determined by diameter—the larger the slower. The tip speed of the blade increases as the circular diameter of motion increases. In the government experiments, two blade systems were used, with rotors up to 300 ft long. Tip speeds were in excess of 200 mph, which created problems with noise and vibrations. Normal rotation was 18 rpm. This means more than 3 seconds per revolution. Notice that the rpms have to decrease as the diameter of motion increases. Otherwise tip speeds would be excessive. So the rpms are determined by the diameter of motion, not the number of blades.

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skyla824

10:22AM | Mon, 25 August 2008

WONDERFUL SHOT.. WE HAVE ONE OF THESE NOT FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE. IT BLENDS IN TO THE LANDSCAPE AFTER A WHILE..

MrsLubner

10:23AM | Mon, 25 August 2008

I THOUGHT this was a wind blade. We have some huge wind farms in our area. Very impressive but even driving past them doesn't prepare you for the view up close! This is incredible!

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rawdodb

10:40AM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Just learned they're going to start making the Towers for thses thing here in Town... They're Huge..... Excellent shot! Also nice that you includded the Hummer's on a standard flatbed, really helps put the Blade into sclae!!

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annie5

10:48AM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Impressive shot..I never seen this longer! Fantastic :)

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emmecielle

10:52AM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Wow, it's very long! Beautiful shot! :)

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DennisReed

11:11AM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Fantastic comparison & captures!

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Bossie_Boots

11:30AM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Fantastic shot 'richard superb work hugs lou x

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photostar

11:34AM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Yes, they are gigantic. There's a giant windfarm just completed near me and there are plans to construct another on the side of the mountain where I live. Great capture of this.

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blankfrancine

11:46AM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Size DOES matter! Great capture, Richard. without the other vehicles you wouldn't be able to get a sense of its scale.

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bpclarke

11:49AM | Mon, 25 August 2008

It never ceases to amaze me the size of these propellers. When driving through Idaho, we were on the highway with one and took forever to pass. If you want to see a truly amazing site, visit the Lancaster area or Palm Springs area here in California. There are miles of these. Excellent capture and comparisons. Bunny

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kenmo

12:03PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Wow...that's incredible....!!!!

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TheAnimaGemini

12:16PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Incredible capture ;) What a air power, i agree.

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MagikUnicorn

12:27PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Maybe 100 feets, is that a piece of wind mill (blade) ;-) Great capture... Love it

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debz

12:35PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

fantastic shot Richard!

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angelbearzs

12:39PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

that is aweosme :)

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brycek

12:40PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Awesome capture, Richard!!

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Darkwish

12:50PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Really it's very long! Great pic!

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farmerC

1:06PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

This is EXELLENT.

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VDH

1:24PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Very impressive shot!

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MarciaGomes

1:50PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

WOOOOOOOOW!!!INCRIVEL FOTO ACHEI MUITO INTERESANTE O TAMANHO.+++++++++5

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fredster66

2:00PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Impressive Richard!

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abuyhia

2:40PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Awesome!

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LudyMelltSekher

3:57PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Hello my dear friend Richard, IMPRESIVE!!!, Absolutely fantastic!Wonderful photography. Congratulations! A million stars from me!!!*** Have a nice Monday. Thank you so much for your comments. Hug and kiss in Your heart.Luminous blesing. Ludy

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ShadowsNTime

4:55PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Outstanding capture Richard! Wealth of info, thanks for sharing that too! Going in my favs!!! I've seen them but not that close, huge!!!

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Syltermermaid

4:58PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Fantastic captured Richard!! Thanks for sharing!! Hugs Ute

tball2004

5:49PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

Great Capture! The Electrical company I work for is currently doing the electrical installation on windmills (Maybe These)out west.....

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jocko500

5:55PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

lot to know on wind mills. i like the shot as the truck with the trucks on it cross in front of the blade

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clam73

5:57PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

impressive, gigantic structure.....excellent capture!

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drifterlee

6:15PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

WoW! Hope he doesn't jacknife his trailer!!!

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KarmaSong

6:16PM | Mon, 25 August 2008

I sometimes see these blades on trucks blocking the traffic in my hometown, but they are far less dangerous for the environment than the petrol I use to drive. Excellent captures and commentary!


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